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A New Monument to Black Confederates?

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A statue of Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States, stands in Memphis Park, formerly named Confederate Park, in Memphis, Tennessee, U.S., August 19, 2017. REUTERS/Brian Snyder

Two Republican legislators in South Carolina proposed a new monument on the state Capitol grounds to honor Confederate soldiers—this time commemorating black fighting men who went to battle for the South.

This idea is both ill-considered and offensive. First, the estimated 6,000 African-Americans who did fight for the Confederacy were mostly slaves, and forced to do so—many deserted when the Confiscation Acts and Emancipation Proclamation offered freedom to those who crossed Union lines. Second, black soldiers represented less than 1% of the 750,000 white Confederates—and a tiny fraction of the 200,000 blacks who served the Union military. Finally, it makes no sense to construct new memorials to those who fought against the United States in an effort to destroy our country.

Yes, there may be romance and sentiment associated with the South’s “Lost Cause” but conservatives who want support from people of color must unequivocally acknowledge that this Lost Cause deserved to lose.

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  1. T  •  Jan 10, 2018 at 6:14 am

    I see Walter Williams and Tom dilorenzo comparing Jefferson Davis to George Washington saying it was not a civil war. A civil war is when people try to overtake the government and Jefferson Davis was no more interested in overtaking Washington then George Washington over London. Blacks fought to protect there homelands.

    Another one victors write history was not about slavery, people were citizens of states and it was a states rights issue. Thing is hard to find evidence of that. Seems like slavery was major issue and state vs federal power ongoing debate.

    Major differences between George Washington and Jefferson Davis.

    • Ty  •  Jan 11, 2018 at 12:59 am

      Out of curiosity, what state did you grow up in, and what party do you support?

      • Rizzo  •  Jan 11, 2018 at 9:34 am

        Yes, please tell Ty… He would like to make sweeping, broad-based assumptions in connection with your answer.

      • Ty  •  Jan 11, 2018 at 4:09 pm

        Generalizations? Correct. Broad and sweeping? You're projecting. I was just going to point out that I've heard a black guy defend the confederate flag and say the civil war was not just or mostly about slavery. His home state?

        South Carolina. A state of infamy in American History, John C. Calhoun, the cradle of the confederacy, and to this day a rats nest of a surprising number of confused people with sanitized ideas over its past role and that of the cause of the confederacy.

        It's definitely improving, they did finally take that traitors flag off the state capitol building not too long ago, but I've mentioned before I heard that in response to that private citizens started flying more of them on their personal property and cars. Lovely.

        The political point was this is a lingering southern derangement, and not one based on politics. One of the big lies told about parties is that they are static. When republicans took over the south, they inherited many of the southern democrats that were hostile to civil rights and had questionable views about the souths role in the civil war.

        The daughters of the confederacy did their hatchet job on history well, generations after they are diminished.

        So to any conservatives out there, when you see some neo hatchet job by people like Dinesh Dsouza try to associate racism with the democratic party as if that was the key variable, at least try to take a critical eye. That was absolutely not the key variable.

      • tyrone needs counseling  •  Jan 11, 2018 at 10:47 pm

        Sounds like you are setting up a fallacy. Either what the person said is true or not. If not, the truth or untruth of his statements have nothing to do with what state he is from or what party he supports.

      • tyrone needs counseling  •  Jan 11, 2018 at 10:49 pm

        Oh yeah, go back to, it was a southern thing. Yes, Ty, it was. Southerners come from the south. But most of the segregationists from the South were democrats and most that were against segregation were republicans. I know it hurts, but it is better to accept reality than try to fight it.

      • tyrone needs counseling  •  Jan 11, 2018 at 10:50 pm

        Dinesh destroys your arguments. Tyrone. Are you still mad at your daddy?

      • Rizzo  •  Jan 11, 2018 at 11:31 pm

        "It's definitely improving, they did finally take that traitors flag off the state capitol"
        Only in the world of Ty and the Taliban, does destroying history, constitute "progress" or notions of "improvement".

      • Ty  •  Jan 11, 2018 at 11:48 pm

        You keep using tyrone, is that chosen since it sounds more black? Either way, it really is just Ty, not Ty needs help or Tyrone or Tyler. But keep using that if you must, the association must mean something more sinister to you in that variant. I wonder why.

        And look, more maggots reveal themselves with the rock lifted. That did not take long.

        Dinesh is not right, this was not about democrats, it was about southerners. Southern democrats and republicans were hostile to civil rights that were from the old confederate states, the key variable was region, not party. The links and direction of causality there are clear as day, and it is trivially easy to show that mere party does not get the results people like Dinesh claims are the reality. But rubes like yourself eat that assumption up.

        Look at the rot your party has inherited Michael. The party of Lincoln here, look at what they defend. They rape Lincolns memory and the memory of every abolitionist and enemy of slavery with their nonsense.

      • Ty  •  Jan 11, 2018 at 11:55 pm

        Taking the confederate battle (TRAITORS) flag down from a state house =/= destroying history. Put it in a museum of horrors if you want, removing that flag merely removes it from a place of honor where it deserved none. But it's telling the locations where such a symbol was seen as something worthy of honor and respect for so long were former confederate states. Large chunks of southern republicans are the torch bearers for that confederate symbol, much less so southern democrats, because the PEOPLE who favored the flag and its cause did not stick with the same party.

        I know this is a very difficult concept for you conservatives, you think parties are steady state things, they change, their platforms change, their constituents change. Right now Trump came on on a populist wave that had appeals that were openly hostile to free trade, was that a part of the conservative movement decades ago to the same degree? No? Open your fool eyes, how many examples of alterations across time need to be seen before the BASIC concepts that parties are not constant platforms of eternal values and policies seeps in?

        Go look at that Wendell Wilkie speech again on youtube, he was as far away from a tea party republican type as you could possible get. But your small myopic minds refuse to see this, because the points are inconvenient to you. What a lovely bubble world you get to live in, where reality itself bends to whatever you prefer to be true.

  2. Rizzo  •  Jan 12, 2018 at 8:13 am

    Was Robert Byrd a Southern Republican?
    Should he and his KKK background be honored with Robert Byrd highway?
    Should his racist memory be put in the "museum of horrors"?
    Are those facts inconvenient to you and your ilk?

    • Ty  •  Jan 12, 2018 at 1:55 pm

      Had Robert Byrd been born and raised as a Democrat in NY, would he have been part of the KKK? Do you think it would be more of less likely? Why? If the determinant variable was being a democrat, why were the northern democrats so different on the racial attitudes towards policy? And why did southern republicans of the time agree with southern democrats on segregationist policies, or at the very least opposed to laws that would curtail them?

      I must have gone over this at least a half dozen times, with numbers to back this up. How many times is needed to slap that belief out of your mind?

      • Rizzo  •  Jan 12, 2018 at 2:49 pm

        So, you support Robert Byrd Highway… got it!
        Where do you suppose they will put the traitor-flag of California, as they become a sanctuary state, nullify federal law and follow the steps of their racist forefathers from The Civil War?

      • Rizzo  •  Jan 12, 2018 at 3:01 pm

        So, all elected Democrats from the south are KKK members, filibustered the 1964 Civil Rights Act, and served as Senate Majority leader from January 3, 1987 – January 3, 1989?
        And apparently, the KKK does not, did not and never has existed in NY, NJ, Canada, the North generally? The ONLY reason Robert Byrd was The Grand Wizard of the KKK and became the Senate Majority Leader for the Democrats in 1987 is because he is from the South… You are a SIMPLE MINDED MORON!
        Got it! Thanks!

      • Averien  •  Jan 17, 2018 at 4:21 pm

        Many Southern Republicans in the 40s-60s were fine with repealing Jim Crow: they objected to the law telling them how they (and others) *must* run their businesses. They didn't want a new law coming in to tell them how they *must* run their business. Most were more than willing to employ, serve, and patronize blacks.

        Remember: Jim Crow wasn't just a social custom of the time, and it wasn't a series of laws that allowed discrimination and segregation: they were laws that *required* it. This is a very significant distinction.

      • Averien  •  Jan 17, 2018 at 4:26 pm

        Rizzo– Robert Byrd seems to have massively and legitimately not only repented of his time in the KKK, but moved in dramatic opposition to it. Admiring and acknowledging legitimate self-improvement is something that should be applauded, not held over a person as condemnation for their entire life. Most Christians remember Paul as one of the greatest saints– not, as Paul himself wrote, "the greatest of all sinners". While there are many ideological and procedural points that a conservative or a Republican can justly and rightly criticize Byrd, his association with the KKK is not one of them.

  3. Rizzo  •  Jan 20, 2018 at 5:18 pm

    Could you ever imagine a situation where a former KKK member would be forgiven, and not be a person of "condemnation" if he were a Republican?
    He sure the hell would not be put into a position of power within the party… he would be a run out, like Roy Moore.

    • TS  •  Feb 1, 2018 at 9:46 pm

      George Wallace the Democrat stood in the door of U of AL. Ross Barnett, Democrat, participated in the beatings, and murders of the Freedom Riders. JFK Democrat from Mass. had no intention of protecting the freedom riders until it got out in the press and the pressure became too much. Nowadays, Democrats keep African Americans in Entitlement Slavery. Republicans give the poor a chance to Rise…Democrats help them stay poor forever

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