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A Victory for Respectful Persuasion

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An unexpectedly encouraging development in California should remind us that conversation can work better than confrontation in politics. The author of Assembly Bill 2943 agreed to pull it from the legislature’s agenda—dropping a new law that would have imposed severe penalties on mental health professionals who agreed to help patients wanting to overcome homosexual inclinations.

Evan Low, a gay, Silicon Valley Democrat, had majority support in the legislature but he changed his plan because he felt “heartened by conversations…. with pastors, professional counselors and former homosexuals who lead ministries to others.”

Jonathan Keller, President of the California Family Council said: “We are inexpressibly grateful to Assembly member Low for meeting personally with faith leaders over the last several months and sincerely listening to our concerns.”

This is a demonstration of the power of respectful persuasion and both sides deserve praise.

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  1. Ty  •  Sep 4, 2018 at 5:31 pm

    I am mixed over this, I'm kind of against these anti gay prison camps when parents send children for indoctrination, but then they do that for religious schools that teach all sorts of nonsense as well and those are protected.

    Also, I'd rather not hear even more victim whoring from the right about how oppressed they are, so let them send their gay kids to prison camps to pray the gay away.

    I want that activity out in the open so we know who the religious anti gay bigots are.

    Social Conservatives : We are not anti gay! We just want to send our gay kids to camps to make sure they are NOT GAY, because being gay is TERRIBLE !!!!!!! And acting out on gayness is worst of all. My God/bible told me so.

    I WANT more social conservatives to raise up their god and bible as a shield for their anti gay animus, because in modern society, nothing can discredit and harm social conservatism more than their own attacks on gays. It was easier for them to be awful decades ago, before gay people were more prominent and public, that is partly why they fought so hard to make sure gays were not tolerated serving openly in the military and wanted to maintain the standard that if they were discovered, they could and should be kicked out. Because ACTUALLY living with and seeing gay people as PEOPLE, and not some immoral deviants and nothing but sinners against an allmighty GOD humanized them. Turns out, Charlie, who is into dudes is not some evil wicked person for not faking his attractions to women and pretending he was not into guys. When he puts his life on the line for straight comrades, he is JUST as selfless as any other, not worthy of scorn and contempt and rebuke and ostracization as some bestial trash human being.

    Social conservatives REQUIRED gays to live in darkness, so their inherently decency as human beings could not be contrasted with the hate filled rhetoric. Now that shield is gone. So let the flood gates open, reveal yourselves even more, let us know who the stragglers who still thinks there is something wicked about being gay and acting on it are.

    • Kpar  •  Sep 7, 2018 at 6:58 pm

      "…who agreed to help patients wanting to overcome homosexual inclinations."

      And you turn this into a rant against straight people who recognize that the gay lifestyle is fraught with danger and (potentially) sadness, and to gay people who see the same thing.

      Ty, you are a real piece of work.

      • Ty  •  Sep 7, 2018 at 9:23 pm

        I'm not a FRACTION of the piece of work as anti gay bigot conservatives who spend LIFETIMES blanketing their families and children and churches and communities with anti gay attitudes and sentiments, then turn around surprised that some of their friends and relatives might seek to "seek help" because of the "FLAWS" GOD ALLOWED to be built into their natures to change them and "help" them stop being attracted to the same sex. Those people are worried about anti gay social conservatives disowning them, shunning them, not accepting them, casting them out because they do not bend their knee and pretend they are attracted to the opposite sex.

        You create the conditions that make people fear for their entire LIVES about losing their entire circle of social conservative friends and family, and then you effing DARE pretend I am the monster for not suggesting people are not TRASH if they happen to be gay and act on those attractions.

        My message to them, if your family is going to drop you and shun you because you are gay and act on it, they are not worth your time. If they want to cast you out, let them, more examples for the rest of the world how trashy those people really are. Every gay you cast out, means even more defections from that rotten thing you call a faith.

    • Ty needs help  •  Sep 9, 2018 at 11:57 pm

      Social conservatives are against homosexuality because it is bad for society, bad for the individual, and yes because it is sinful. Your alleged motivations for conservatives are bizarre. And it wasn't even a conservative/liberal issue until about 20 years ago. Before that most liberals had the same position. So feel free to criticize nearly every liberal from the formation of the world until about 20 years ago. Thanks. Hypocrite.

      • Ty  •  Sep 12, 2018 at 3:42 am

        Social conservatives are against homosexuality because god said it's bad, and like good little supplicants they do as they are told and obey. Now keep those chains on, and do as you are told, holding up god as a shield for your own personal moral failures.

        And yes, most people were against gays 20 years ago, and the liberals were the first to change and cast that off. To their credit. You want me to grade on a curve, fine, so what does it say that in a time when the vast majority of the nation has no problem with gays, the last hold outs are the social conservatives? What exactly is the difference between you and some anti black hicks in the deep south still pining for the days when segregation was more supported? You are under the curve, left behind.

        Nothing about the existence and non suppression of gays takes away from any of your own behavior, but that is not enough. That was one of the main reasons you and people like you fought so hard to keep gays in the dark and ostracized in the larger society for so long, there are too many examples of decent non malevolent gays to make people that are not religious SLAVES like you from siding with their gay relatives and friends and not shunning them, and by accepting them, they will in turn increasingly reject you.

        /tissue

        You continue to openly reject gays and then turn around surprised when the rest of society rejects you for what YOU are? But in your case, you CHOSE to be that way, you CHOSE to be that rotten.

        And because of your own flaws that even most other religious people have turned away from

        http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/views-about-homosexuality/#religious-tradition-trend

        You want to encourage gays to pretend they are not attracted to the same sex, or suppress that side of them, tell them it's rotten and evil and bad and deviant and to be rejected and set aflame anywhere near you.

        You are god damn right I and plenty of others are not going to look kindly on that kind of enterprise. But you are still free to engage in it, and gays that are in your circles are free to try to be reprogrammed to conform to your standards. I just wish more knew all those family and friends willing to reject their own sons and friends are not worth the effort.

  2. Gary DeBoise  •  Sep 7, 2018 at 7:46 pm

    Gay, straight or other. Our state should not be telling us how we should support our family (niece is gay), friends or strangers. If people reach out for help, let them get guidance from whom they wish. I would never force my beliefs on another person. Remember, do no harm……….

  3. Ty needs this type of counseling  •  Sep 10, 2018 at 12:11 am

    I think it would have been better if this law had been passed. It highlights how far to the coo-coo fringe the democrat party has gone. Anti-science, anti-freedom, anti-speech, anti-white, anti-religious, anti-Semitic, anti-American, etc, etc, etc. They are so far left that they are off the rails but people like Ty are so motivated by their own bias and animus that they can't realize that they are what they CLAIM to hate. I wish the law had been passed. This is IS the democrat party, and if not now, where it will be in a few years. It is amazing to me that any American, gay or straight, democrat or republican, communist or capitalist, etc, etc, etc would think it is okay to tell people that they can't seek counseling as they wish and that it is okay to completely politicize the mental health profession.

    • Ty  •  Sep 12, 2018 at 3:17 am

      Mental health? You mean those anti gay "reeducation" camps trying to pass themselves off as no different from licensed psychologists? Please. And another string of victim narratives again I see.

      As for me needing that type of counseling, I almost wish I would have been sent to one of those camps, would have been fun laying into those assholes trying to tell me what is a legitimate type of relationship, and what is not among consenting adults. I'd have slapped that religious authority they tried to wield against my will right out of their fool mouths.

      • Rizzo  •  Sep 12, 2018 at 9:45 am

        Oooh Ty, you’re a real tough guy.
        You damn-near made me spit out my coffee this morning.
        Thanks for the laughs!

      • Ty needs a lot of things but he is too self-righteous to realize it  •  Oct 2, 2018 at 9:27 pm

        Why require consent? Who are you to say what is a legitimate relationship? Hypocrite. Tell me Tyrese, do you think this should be allowed – a very mature and worldly 14 year old girl wants to have a relation ship with a 50 year old man. She is so advanced that she is better able to consent than your average 18 year old. Do you support that? Should that be legal? Should the age of consent be based on the individual?

        And you do realize that among licensed psychologists there might be a range of opinions on that subject matter, right? You want a political ideology enforced on the mental health profession. I know you won't admit it, but everybody who follows current events knows that the left is very anti-science. It gets in the way of pretending that the world is the way that they want it to be.

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