Character Still Counts

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In choosing the next President, character matters more than ideology. An individual of low character and troubled temperament won’t keep campaign promises, no matter how appealing, and won’t be able to work with others to achieve those goals, even if he tried. What’s more, a president with a tendency toward immature emotionalism will be ill-equipped to respond to sudden challenges that aren’t anticipated in campaign platforms.

Unfortunately, both current candidates face big questions about integrity and character and it’s unlikely either one will change in the course of the campaign. That means a choice between a candidate with character issues that are disturbing, and one with character issues that are alarming – terrifying, in fact.

Peggy Noonan wrote a great book about the Reagan administration called, WHEN CHARACTER WAS KING. The 2016 sequel shouldn’t be WHEN CHARACTER WAS IRRELEVANT – and voters shouldn’t chose a dubious candidate just because there’s the right initial – R or D – after the name.

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  1. Nani  •  Jul 11, 2016 at 5:54 pm

    One of the things you try to instill in your kids is the importance of character. It really isn't a holier than thou thing. It's a matter of protection. One cannot trust, believe, and invest in someone that has no character. A bully will one day turn on you. A betrayer will one day throw you under the bus. A liar will eventually destroy your confidence.

    But perhaps the most important reason that character is important is that a person who lacks character will change YOU. You will find yourself making up all kind of excuses for staying, for supporting, for continuing. And in that process, you will become the bully, the cheater, the liar.

    The president of the United States must be held to a higher standard, not only because he/she has the power to destroy the world; but because he/she has the power to change it.

    Hillary or Trump OR… a leader really chosen by the people and not the media and pundits. May God help us.

    • Rizzo  •  Jul 13, 2016 at 2:37 pm

      Here we go again… Nani and her purity test.
      She will enable the election of Hilary Clinton, the The Most Corrupt President in US History, because of her false narrative of bullying and lying.
      You are the liar. You are the bully. You will throw this country under the bus because YOU HAVE NO CHARACTER. We have a choice…. Hilary or Trump. That's it… not ideal, but that's what it is. You're not voting, so you don't count. Go away.

      • Jim Bird  •  Jul 13, 2016 at 6:52 pm

        I second your reply. Nani, It is Trump or no more country. Nothing is going to change in the future, "waiting for things to change for the better" – IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN WITH KILLARY. The time is now – There is no tomorrow – Is Molly your sister?

      • Nani  •  Jul 14, 2016 at 2:53 pm

        Jim, do you really think there is a difference between the liar and the bully? Really? What do you tell your kids if they say: there are only two groups in school that matter, one is full of liars and one is led by an out and out bully. If they don't accept either one, they will stand alone.

        Go ahead choose, tell your kid which one you want him/her to be known as: the liar or the bully?

        America is standing at the door where each voter has to make a decision: are we liars or bullies?

        No tomorrow? The other day I saw a story on t.v. about a group of BLM who was intent on "protesting". Across the road they were met by a counter protest group. The cameras was ready for a big show down. The strangest thing happened, the Black Lives Matter group went over and did a Kombaya because according to them "the other side listened".

        Yeah, right. The other side was made up of White "biker hard riding looking" men in pick up trucks. And they carried signs that said "not in my town". It reminded me of a group of kids taught by "mean" sensais who bullied middle school kids. The parents claimed they couldn't do anything and because of the kids' ages, the cops couldn't do anything. Then one day, they beat up the wrong kid whose parents threatened to sue the parents and take their homes away. And all of a sudden, the kids "apologized" and the bullying stopped. Why? Because the parents secretly loved that their kids could kick a$$ until they had something to lose.

        BLM is like teenagers demanding to be "listened" to (code for getting their way on their parents' dime). These "red neck" guys basically told them, "not in MY house, not on my dime". They ARE America and because they will stand up and not be bullied and lied to, there IS hope.

        One of the reasons why I choose the Republican party was because Democrats believe that without them, common man will fall; Republicans believe in America and her people. Yeah, I realize that this election has truly tested that belief, but once in awhile, you see people of true character.

        If we choose either the liar or the bully, we have no character. It really is as simple as that.

        By the way, those two aren't the only ones running and they are the PRESUMPTIVE nominee.

        And I would tell my kid to stand alone.

    • Connie  •  Jul 18, 2016 at 1:41 pm

      Nani this quandry you seem to be in is a real big no brainer. Hillary is as corrupt and country hating as BO. Maybe worse because she has successfully extorted huge $ from horrible countries like Saudi Arabia and UAE and Russia. Lots of quid pro quo for Russia. But if you can't see the difference between a pos like her and a person who's created countless jobs and Loves America then do everyone a favor and please don't vote.

      • Nani  •  Jul 18, 2016 at 10:21 pm

        Connie, ok, so HIllary is corrupt, a criminal, a liar. How is she different from any other politician? Really, isn't that what the whole anger thing is about, that a politician is a…POLITICIAN. If she becomes president, what can we expect? She will be a POLITICIAN. Worst or better than Obama, Bush, Clinton, go back to Nixon…and her great sin is still, she's a politician that can't be trusted.

        But if Trump is elected, you will have a man that honestly believes that the greatest crime is to not worship him. He believes that the military is there to enforce HIS desires, the courts are HIS to validate his beliefs and the press exist to glorify him.

        Doesn't that scare you in the least? My Lord, this is a man that admires dictators and believes in the law according to Trump. Created jobs? You really believe that? Obviously he doesn't do much research but I would hope that most people understand the value of their vote and would do their homework. Do you have any idea why Michelle Malkin, one of the strongest build a wall, get rid of illegals there is, refuse to support Trump? She wrote that she saw what he did to her hometown of Atlantic City and how he made all these promises and left thousands bankrupt and jobless.

        So do yourself a favor and don't drink the kool aid. PLEASE vote wisely. You have three REAL choices. Vote for the liar (aka the politician), the bully (aka the would be god/dictator), or write in the one you can live with. The latter will only count when you have to look in the mirror, but at least you can look.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 19, 2016 at 8:16 am

        Nani… If you wish to be taken seriously please refrain from your wild and ludicrous statements like, "Trump is a man that honestly believes that the greatest crime is to not worship him."
        – Quit projecting your delusions on to Trump… It's pathetic.

  2. Jim Bird  •  Jul 12, 2016 at 1:59 pm


    • J_Pole  •  Jul 19, 2016 at 2:51 pm

      The minute I see posts that make unfunny ignorant puns of peoples' names I know I am in kindergarten territory. The topper is fear of a communist regime. 1954 just called and wants you home, Jim.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 20, 2016 at 7:47 am

        So J_Pole, let me understand this, the concern over communism in America had no merit in 1954, and therefore should also be dismissed today?
        Your elementary history teacher just called, he wants your cap and gown back.

  3. MollyR  •  Jul 13, 2016 at 6:00 pm

    The first Presidential election that I voted in was 1964. I have voted every Presidential since then. I am an Independent so I have voted for both Democrats and Republicans, but I generally vote to the right. In all these years, this is the first election that leaves me absolutely sick. I can not in good conscience vote for either of these deeply flawed candidates. I will vote, but I will write in my choice. Trump may make good Supreme Court Justices, but the thought of this unstable egotist having his hand on the nuclear button is terrifying. One of them will win, and I wish I could believe that our system of “Checks and Balances” could keep the damage in check. Perhaps it will, but that system seems to be falling apart as well.

    • Jim Bird  •  Jul 13, 2016 at 6:45 pm

      A vote for anyone other than Trump will be the end of the Republic. But, go ahead and oh, what exactly is your point? You're insane Molly or a Liberal which is the same thing.

      • MollyR  •  Jul 14, 2016 at 10:44 am

        If I am insane, then there are are a lot of other people out there who feel the same way. In my own circle of friends, both liberal and conservative, I know at least 20 people who will not vote for either one. We will probably not have enough impact to keep either of these people from winning. Trump always manages to win despite the predictions, so I think he will win.

    • Nani  •  Jul 15, 2016 at 5:04 am

      Molly, isn't it ironic that the very people who refused to back Romney or McCain because of their principles are now demanding that we forget our own principles, hold our noses and vote for Trump?

      And conservatives wonder why people think they are hypocrites and sanctimonious.

      • Anita  •  Jul 15, 2016 at 8:43 pm

        I am not one who refused to back Romney or McCain in the general election, even though I did not think either was a candidate I really wanted for President. However, I wanted someone other than Obama. I knew he was so far to the left, he would do much damage to this country. And, we see that now. I did not think either Romney or McCain was as conservative or strong enough to stand their ground. And, Romney showed he couldn't stand his ground and stand up to Obama in that last debate. Still can't stand thinking about it. We CANNOT afford another 4 years of continued liberal/progressive agenda. I am thinking of my children's future. I believe Trump will stand his ground on some key conservative issues. And choosing Pence as his running mate just shows how serious he is. Is he perfect? No. Neither was Reagan. Neither are you and me. A vote for anyone other than Trump IS a vote for Hillary.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 16, 2016 at 3:13 pm

        You moron…. WE did support Romney. I have voted EVERY election for REPUBLICANS. Even when morons like you gave us LAME nominees.

      • Jim Bird  •  Jul 16, 2016 at 4:13 pm

        WE Voted ROMNEY!

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 16, 2016 at 5:17 pm

        Amen Anita!

      • Nani  •  Jul 18, 2016 at 10:48 pm

        Anita…but what happened to YOUR principles? I heard "real" conservatives after conservatives say they couldn't "hold their noses" and vote for RINOS. If you all did in fact throw away your objections and in the end vote Republican, then IF the party survives and the next nominee turns out to be a person you cannot stomach, I am sure you will not say a word about principles being more important than party.

        Ah huh.

    • Connie  •  Jul 18, 2016 at 1:43 pm

      But the thought of Hillary being in the same position makes you more sure and secure? You are out of your mind.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 19, 2016 at 8:54 am

        Any notion of "Principles" that enables another Anti-American president, is the equivalent of having no principles at all.
        Now go look in the mirror, as our society is incrementally and continuously destroyed around you. Pathetic!

  4. FFarrer  •  Jul 13, 2016 at 9:00 pm

    It's nice you believe in living by principals-but at the expense of the rest of us? And the future generations. Seems extremely selfish to the rest of us poor slobs. We all suffer Hilliary because of folks like you!

  5. FFarrer  •  Jul 13, 2016 at 9:06 pm

    It's nice you believe in living by principals but not at the expense of the rest of us and future generations. Because of you and those agreeing with you, the rest of us poor slobs have to suffer Hilliarys crimes

    • Rizzo  •  Jul 13, 2016 at 9:46 pm

      Nani has no principals. She's a complete fraud.
      There are no perfect candidates. There has NEVER been a candidate that I ever voted for that I agreed 100% with. As such, I have had to ALWAYS hold my nose. I have had to ALWAYS put my principals on the back-burner, and I have had to ALWAYS pull the lever for a less than perfect candidate. However, I have always voted for the BEST, ELECTABLE candidate.
      Grow the F up!

  6. Jim Bird  •  Jul 14, 2016 at 11:36 pm

    To Nani and Molly,

    • Jim Bird  •  Jul 14, 2016 at 11:46 pm

      Follow up:


      • Nani  •  Jul 15, 2016 at 4:53 am

        Jim, you KNOW better. So you're frustrated and angry, but remember I was against Trump when there were 17 other choices. We are where we are now BECAUSE purist wanted the perfect candidate and I wanted the best of what we HAD.

        You can accuse me of many things, but not having decency is not one of them.

  7. Nani  •  Jul 15, 2016 at 5:00 am

    As for a follow up, I've already told you. I will do what I would tell my kids to do.

    And standing alone is never easy nor does it feel "wonderful". But standing alone feels a lot better than being on one's knees in a crowd of liars and bullies.

    • Lee  •  Jul 16, 2016 at 3:33 am

      Nani, if you do not vote it doesn't matter what you think.

      • Nani  •  Jul 16, 2016 at 1:44 pm

        Who says I'm not voting? I only said I will not, can not vote for the Liar OR the Bully. And honestly, do you think YOU have a greater voice because you vote? You only do if you vote with wisdom and am able to live with yourself. I can and will. I wonder how many will be able to do the same if Dictator Trump who thinks the greatest sin is to not worship him wins?

      • Connie  •  Jul 18, 2016 at 1:50 pm

        You're damned right I have more rights because of voting than praising self righteousness by doing nothing. Don't complain because you decided to not exercise your privilege to vote.

      • Nani  •  Jul 18, 2016 at 10:39 pm

        Connie, do you understand that not only do you not have the right to demand who I vote for, you don't have the right to tell me not to complain? No wonder a dictator and a bully like Trump doesn't bother you.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 18, 2016 at 10:53 pm

        Nani… Don't be dumb. Obviously, Connie can not make you stop complaining. She is simply pointing out the fallacy and hypocrisy of your ridiculous position.

    • Rizzo  •  Jul 19, 2016 at 8:57 am

      Typical fraud comment, presenting a lie as a complete false choice.

  8. Steve Weigel  •  Jul 15, 2016 at 4:42 pm

    Realistically speaking, Hillary and Donald are our only choices so we must choose between those two. I will vote for Donald, not because of his character, but rather because I do not want the alternative

    • Nani  •  Jul 15, 2016 at 6:07 pm

      Steve, so you'd have your child support a bully because you don't want him to hang with a liar? Yes, there is not a good choice, but this happened because people cared more about giving the GOP the finger than presenting America with a solid nominee.

      This tantrum has left us deciding between a liar and a bully. It isn't THEIR character in question, it's ours. Since I am not responsible for putting us here as I've been fighting against Trump From the get go, I refuse to accept the idea that it is either Trump or Hillary. To me, character IS important. And since neither has any, I can not, will not give either my vote. If this means that Trump won't have enough votes to win or that Hillary has enough to give us another 4 years of Obama and liberal agenda, it's on every head that wouldn't stand up and stop him, not me.

      Frankly, it is too late to guilt me to support the GOP nominee; those who put Trump there needs to own it if we are stuck with a Queen Hillary and a liberal SCOTUS and Congress. All I can do is hope that others will also refuse to sell their character's soul.

      • Jim Bird  •  Jul 16, 2016 at 12:50 am

        Ok Nani, do what you want. But you only have two choices, like Steve says. That is it. Obama has started WWIII NOW, RIGHT NOW. Hillary will make it infinitely worse. Do what you damn want which is nothing. If Trump loses you may no longer have this column to espouse your POV. There sure as hell will no longer be a Republican Party but at least you will have exercised your patriotic right to vote for Marxism or not vote even though you will still get the same result.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 27, 2016 at 9:03 am

        You keep talking about children. This is NOT a child's game. This is the adult world. We are sometimes faced with difficult decisions that don't fit into an over-simplified child's world. Now grow-up and be an adult. There is no Santa Claus, no Easter Bunny, and there is no perfect candidate.

  9. Pat Allen  •  Jul 15, 2016 at 8:32 pm

    I would like to posit a pragmatic way to decide who you should vote for. If you don't like either candidate (as is the case with me), and you don't have an overriding issue that drives your decision (like gun control or immigration), then consider which of the two candidates, if elected, would be more likely to be controlled by congress or impeached, if necessary. Since half of Republicans don't like trump and all the democrats don't like him, he is the least risky choice for president because the votes would be there for impeachment if necessary. The same cannot be said about Hillary Clinton, because nary a one democrat would act to remove her from office if she exceeded her authority. So the safest bet is Trump.

    • Nani  •  Jul 16, 2016 at 1:39 pm

      Pat, I too am a pragmatist but I disagree with your conclusion. We actually have a good idea what Hillary will do but no one can predict Trump's moves. Which is the problem.

      THINK Pat, for 8 years, we've had EXACTLY the scenario you've painted. The MSM and Dems won't remove King Obama and according to the talk show mafia, the GOP hasn't stopped him. So you think if there is Dictator Trump who sees no problem with much of the liberal ideology especially the part about government taking care and controlling the people that the Dems and Republicans will join forces to remove him? Trump's election would guarantee that there is only one party, destroying the GOP, losing Congress and controlling SCOTUS, why that is a liberal dream! All they have to do is let him set it all up and in 4 years, another dictator will take power, only he/she will be Democrat and America will be what they've pushed for decades for.

      I for one will not be a party to that. It wasn't MY error and I refuse to own it. Those who insisted on giving the finger to the GOP has to own the fact that this nation has been given the choice between a liar and a bully.

  10. Rizzo  •  Jul 16, 2016 at 3:17 pm

    Nani…. You can forget about your children, or doing what you would advise your children to do. People like you, will DAMN our children forever more.
    You're PATHETIC!

  11. Rusty old Halo  •  Jul 16, 2016 at 4:47 pm

    I often read the comments that readers post on any site that I visit, but I rarely comment. I tend to categorically group the contributors I guess. I closely consider the opinions of those who can state their thoughts without insulting or trashing the other contributors. Those who are insulting, rude, foul mouthed, or belligerent, I just automatically pass over. I greatly admire those who respectfully make their case based on “their” opinions without disrespecting other opinions, but can show a quality that is worth considering. In discussing whether we can vote for or trust Trump because He is a “bully”, don’t stop to think that we have the same problem in some of the opinions posted. There is always a handful of “bullies that have to denigrate others and mock them, yet their mental abilities to promote a civil discussion seems to be about the same level as their bullying and insults. So much for that.
    This is a very difficult choice in an election like this. I was leaning towards Cruz, based mostly on the fact that I watched Him chew out our whole senate, both parties for not representing “we the people”. He did an incredible job of accusing them of exactly what we have suspected all along. (you can watch it on “youtube”. It appears that both parties are taking us down the road , to a one world govt and there is scarcely any distintion between the two parties. We won’t get a second chance. They have a show vote to satisify the voters, knowing they will lose but making us think they tried, and then they run down to “K” street and sell their vote to the highest bidder. They show no real allegiance to those who voted them in, etc. He chewed them out royally. Is it any wonder that they didn’t like Him. Now we have trump and Hillary. I have to admit that I don’t have the answers and we can’t even know that what we hear is factual. Each party do their best to defame the other. Right now, we have Trump that we can criticize for lots of things, if He were a “bully” as you suggest, that could be either good or bad, depending on how He uses it after He is elected. He is the only candidate that I suspect might have the guts to stand against the GOP establishment and not let them bully him into a pacifist position. If He truly cares about those who backed Him and elected Him, then it could be a winner. The best thing I can see is that We have lost our “we the people” status and it will take a real rebel with strong views to stand against them, which is exactly what we need someone to do. I think we should scrap “party loyalty” and go for quality candidates. Right at the top of the list is that the new president will be picking supreme court justices and they are in there for life. Of the two candidates, we already KNOW that Hillary won’t. We have seen her in action for 20 years. Trump may not be what we want but we just don’t know yet, One candidate we know with dead certainty, and the other just might represent we the people. Slim chance but at least a chance. Secondly, if we needed to impeach either one, we’d stand a much better chance of impeaching Trump that Hillary. The Clinton family has already had 8 years and with Hilary it would be 16. What would follow that, Michelle? I’m not impressed with either party but a true conservative representing the GOP, who can’t be bought would be delightful. I’m 82 years old, a conservative but not a republican. I would love to see a return to the old ways. Following the constitution, cleaning up the corruption, bringing God back as the leader of our country would make a good platform. The most dangerous thing we have done is to remove God from a country that thrived thru the years when we respected our Creator. Ok now, there is a few things that you all can pick apart. I don’t mind. I’ll listen to those of you who are respectful, and pass over the combative mouthy ones as not worth reading. Millions of old line conservatives like myself have left the GOP because they left us. For every “middle of the roader” who wants to ride the fence in hopes of building the party need to consider that for every semi liberal vote they pick up, a dozen of the true conservatives left out the back door. I noted several comments in the opinion section that I really respected and thought had some really good points. I compliment those of you who kept your comments respectful of others opinions. If you have to insult those who disagree, you are a part of the problem.

    • Jim Bird  •  Jul 17, 2016 at 2:09 pm

      Your politics are the ones of ole when we had a civil society. I respect what you say but I kept my mouth shut for 35 years and have many Liberal friends now. Seriously my Republican friends thought I was liberal because I was the peacemaker. These folks in power are not Liberals and time has run out for the country. No more nice talk. My children and grand children are in harms way with another Vietnam but with nuclear weapons put in terrorist hands and funded wilh billions of dollars by Barach Obama and his minions. They are not Liberals, they are Marxists by their actions.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 17, 2016 at 7:17 pm

        Jim Bird… Well said my friend.
        We have allowed ourselves to travel down this slippery slope for far too long, perhaps to the point of no return. It is time time to be REAL. It is time to call theses so-called leaders out for what they really are. Most importantly, it is time for action… it is time to hold leaders accountable and return this once great country back to its Constitutional Republic foundation.

  12. Jim Bird  •  Jul 18, 2016 at 12:18 am

    Rizzo, thank you and right back at you my friend. With 3 more assassinated cops today, you would think anyone with 1/2 a brain could figure this out as to the source of this madness. America and the world is a DAILY horror show now because of the Obama regime. Democrats cannot be that stupid to think Obama loves America. In my lifetime I have never even heard of one cop being assassinated. In the Age of Obama he is well into double digits. I have to be dreaming.

  13. Jim Bird  •  Jul 18, 2016 at 11:29 am

    I hope Michael's opening words about the cop killings today on the show will not be something to the effect of "……. It was unfortunate what happened to these fine men – ….we need to find some common ground…… – blah, etc., blah, blah, etc., – we must do better in the future….."
    I HAVE A MUCH BETTER IDEA – Go to now and watch 5-minute clip with Geraldo (you do know he is a liberal, right?) and Sheriff Clarke.

    • Jim Bird  •  Jul 19, 2016 at 11:51 am

      I am utterly astounded by Michael's insistence on "Hillary is better than Trump!" nonsense. On his program yesterday, his only comment on the cop assassinations was "….. I consider President Obama's response as completely inadequate."
      This is AFTER the Rules Committee vote went Trump's way.
      Over the next 90 minutes, nothing about a world at war and dead police officers.
      Juxtaposed across the dial to Hannity who is reading lists of atrocities (all major news stories over the last 8 years) of Obama and Hillary. The horrors, corruption and death toll perpetrated by the two is truly stunning.
      Back to Michael. Trump is going to blowup NATO and make Mexico pay for a wall and will end-life-as-we-know-it-on-Earth talk. All this after Trump is officially the candidate.
      So if you have a plan or point Michael, what are they? (1) Is Trump worse than Hillary and the status quo of a world at war and anarchy? (2) Explain exactly HOW Hillary is better for world than Trump with specifics.
      Around 2:30pm PST, callers agreeing with Michael start lighting up the board, talking about everything from "misleading rhetoric" and can-Trump-trusted talk. Michael would never in million years rig his caller lineup but George Soros/Media Matters seminar callers would. They seemed far too "scripted" to be Michael's typical callers or anyone's typical callers for that matter.
      So, Michael and the other old guys in the GOP will stay at home (I know you're in Cleveland Michael but apparently Kasich forgot where C-town is located).
      It is incredibly silly antics like these by the GOP, that add to their long disapproval and untrustworthy lists, which infuriates the Party base. The future of America is at stake RIGHT NOW and the GOP plays these idiotic games!

  14. we hold these truths...  •  Jul 25, 2016 at 12:05 am

    Thank you for bringing up this topic which is largely ignored in the mainstream media or else alluded to in a superficial manner.

    If you are taking hits from Trump supporters for calling this issue out, I am sorry.

    I suppose it is a poor reflection on our character as a nation that Donald and Hilary are the candidates with the best chances of election.

    America's greatness – or lack thereof – depends heavily on the character – or lack thereof – of its people.

    I am reminded of this quote from Churchill while tempted to despair:
    "Never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy."

    Politics involves compromise, for certain, and we have all had to vote for candidates we wished held views more to our liking. Looking at the election as a "binary option" where only Donald and Hilary are the choices, makes sense on some levels. On others, it neither seems honorable nor in keeping with good sense to vote for one of these candidates.

    Michael: please expound on what the other possibilities are, if any!

    • Rizzo  •  Jul 25, 2016 at 10:02 am

      There is no doubt that our country, and our form of government relies heavily upon virtuous people, and a Civil Society… of that, there is no debate. However, this truth, over the years, has been constantly and purposely eroded. The only answer, is to return to the values and principles of our founding… a return to a Constitutional Republic.
      That being said, in this election, we have 2 less than ideal candidates. As such, and just like every other election in my lifetime, we have a choice. We can continue down the path to destruction with Hillary, or we can elect Trump and drag his ass toward Constitutional Republic principles. With Trump, we have a chance… with Hillary, it is GUARANTEED NATIONAL SUICIDE. You can kiss this country goodbye FOREVER.

      • we hold these truths...  •  Jul 25, 2016 at 10:53 am

        @Rizzo – "Constitutional Republic principles" are somewhat external to the character of the people; and anyways, they seem contrary to Trump's modus operandi. Kingship, dictatorship, or tyranny seems more like how he rolls.

        "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
        – John Adams

        I think we have a chance when we – though always flawed – become more of a moral and religious people.

        I cannot fault those who vote for someone other than Trump on the grounds that their vote, however small in the big picture, is a notice that character does still count.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 25, 2016 at 4:06 pm

        You talk about a Constitutional Republic's Principles as being "external" or separate from character or virtuous people. Then follow up with a quote from John Adams that totally destroys your own premise. You seem conflicted or at the very least confused?!?
        America is only great because of its Constitutional Principles, and Constitutional Principles can only be fully realized by virtuous people. The two are tied together.
        I can and will fault anyone who's vote allows Hillary to be president and leads to the total destruction of America.

    • Rizzo  •  Jul 26, 2016 at 1:12 pm

      By enabling the election of Hillary, you have most certainly yielded to the enemy.
      And again, you are so conflicted… You use a Chuchill quote about not compromising, then talk about the virtues of compromise. What is the compromise between keeping Our Constituional Republic and it's destruction?

  15. we hold these truths...  •  Jul 25, 2016 at 4:45 pm

    @Rizzo – My interpretation is such that I do not equate the principles of a constitutional republic with the character of a people.

    I am seeing the principles of a constitutional republic as principles related to the form a government takes.

    If you had something else in mind, I do not know what your definition is.

    • Rizzo  •  Jul 26, 2016 at 1:06 pm

      That's fine and dandy, if you're looking for a textbook definition of what a Constitutional Republic is. We all know that. But that's not we are discussing. We are talking about what makes that system work… the components and the circumstances that allow that system to flourish and enables individuals to flourish, and ultimately society to flourish.
      For a Comstitutional Republic to work, it must be embraced by virtuous people… a civil society. It's precisely why these Democracy projects don't work around the world. They lack a civil society. It's why Obama is trying to and to some extent has destroyed our civil society… Because ultimately, it will lead to the destruction of our Constitutional Republic. The two concepts are connected. You really can't have one without the other.
      The election of Hillary will ensure the destruction of our Constitutional Representative Republic. Trump is not ideal, but the alternative is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE.

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