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As Republicans on Capitol Hill struggle to make progress on health care and tax reform, the loudest voices in conservative media rip the GOP’s Congressional leadership for their willingness to compromise on drafting legislation. Actually, Republicans in the House and Senate are doing what they need to do to succeed at their jobs, while conservative commentators in talk radio and syndicated columns do what brings success in their very different roles.

Congressional conservatives can achieve nothing without support from moderate Republicans and, ideally some Democrats, but conservative talkers can maintain ratings dominance by appealing solely to hard-core true believers who make up at most 10% of the available audience.

The only way to repair the rift in Republican ranks is for conservative media to alter their strident approach and broaden their base. That process might bring even larger audiences, while helping Congressional colleagues to build the larger coalitions that Constitutional checks and balances require.

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  1. Ty  •  Jul 15, 2017 at 12:34 am

    Michael is trying to talk to the Nanis and Rizzos of the world, the Cruz lovers. It's a lost cause. Anything less than absolute repeal is akin to moving us towards Stalinist Russia. Just look at the number of things those people call socialist. The problem is you need that sort of peanut gallery to win elections, but the truth is they are not going anywhere. They will hee and haw up and down the internet, but they are never going to sit out an election if the alternative is some hillary like figure or Bernie figure.

  2. Rizzo  •  Jul 15, 2017 at 12:43 am

    Ty…

    Just be honest. Regardless of what you think of Obamacare, or single-payer, or your deep desire for government to solve all of your problems. Do you believe the US government has the right to require you to buy something as a condition of being born in the US?

  3. AARON SCHULTZ  •  Jul 15, 2017 at 1:50 pm

    Requiring people to have insurance isn't the answer. There are three easy steps that will have an immediate impact on the cost of health care. 1. A law that makes it illegal for doctors or hospitals to make a profit from the resale of prescription drugs.
    2. A hard cap on the damages that can be awarded in civil cases against medical professionals or institutions.
    3. A revocation of the law that requires medical institutions to treat patients regardless of their ability to pay for service.

    I'm a free market advocate, but allowing doctors to profit from prescriptions creates a conflict of interest that is not in the best interest of the patient. Commissions are driving decision making. Next time you are prescribed some outandishly expensive drug with a laundry list of side effects, ask the doc what portion of the cost is profit for themselves and the hospital. Then when you develop those side effects and the doc prescribes another wallet decimating bottle of pills to counter act the side effects, ask what their cut is. It's a vicious cycle that rapes the patients finances and health.

    Health is not the objective in this scenario.

    • Ty  •  Jul 15, 2017 at 10:52 pm

      Aaron, I want to thank you for bucking the trend here and being an Honest voice.

      Number 3, most of the conservative peanut gallery are too busy playing coward and lying weasel to just come out and say what you just said there. That you want to rescind the law requiring medical institutions to treat people, even if they cannot pay for care. A return to the days when it was legal for a hospital to literally leave someone dying in the streets so they could avoid the cost of that care. Back to a state of nature, where the strong survive, and the weak die if they are not saved from the fickle errant concerns of others. Where the core conservative fantasy comes back to reality in the modern world, to treat human beings as little more than BEASTS and ANIMALS, where their entire worth of life itself is based on ability to pay, nothing more, nothing less, throw away carcasses and property on a bestial ledger.

      Most of these cowards run and hide from the naked degradation of the worth of the life of a human being, but you are not a coward. At least you admitted it.

      I still find it an astonishingly vulgar view, but you are still ahead of so many others, because you are open about what you actually believe and do not Lie about it.

  4. Rizzo  •  Jul 16, 2017 at 9:47 am

    Ty
    You are a complete fraud. I begged you to give me an example of people dying in the streets of America. You CAN'T, yet you keep using this FICTIONAL EXAMPLE to further your leftist cause. I give you a REAL example of single-payer in England essentially sentencing a child to death, and you ignore it.
    You are pathetic!

    • Nani Tavares  •  Jul 16, 2017 at 5:53 pm

      Rizzo, this whole "dying people in the street is one of those truly "idiotic" claims. Do they think Americans are so stupid they don't get that since there weren't 23 million people dying in the streets BEFORE Obamacare, they won't be 23 million dying AFTER Obamacare.

      They pretend to care about people, but ignore the fact that the working class (yeah the tax payers) can not afford the premiums and deductibles in this scr$w the middle class health care.

      And pray tell, why is it OUR responsibility? I really want to know when did it become the working class' duty to take from their own families and care and provide for the poor, unfortunate, and those that made dumb decisions? Does being Christian and/or American mean we get taken advantage of and used?

      Let's bring it down to one simple question Liberals need to answer is "who are YOU to decide what is the best way to spend MY money?"

      • Ty  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 12:50 am

        Jesus Nani, no one said that 23 million americans would DIE in the streets if obamacare went away, what they would lose is better access to healthcare. More medical bankruptcies due to people choosing LIFE for themselves or their loved ones over DEATH (BAD to ME, INDIFFERENT to you SADISTS/conservatives), higher death rates.

        And the dodge that Michael often says that we ALL die is ridiculous. Of course we all die, but Michael did not talk like that when his own father had Cancer and his doctors treated him well enough to allow for an extra couple years of life and bonding and goodbyes with himself and his brothers. He still died in the end, but are conservatives really saying that such extra time is not worth having if you can't pay what Michaels family can?

        And don't you DARE cry and MOAN about the cost of healthcare for the middle class, IF you gave a damn you'd be for the lower costs people in France and Germany pay, through TAXES. Cost means NOTHING to you, LIAR. This is what I'm talking about, if healthcare costs were TEN times higher without a government universal healthcare system in the mix, you'd be for that instead. Because you hear the word government and your brain shuts off. A slave to ideology, where it is YOU that serves the ideology and not the ideology that serves YOUR needs and the needs of society. Not all of us are such willing SLAVES like you Nani.

        Who am "I?" Who are WE. I am a member of society, I have but one vote and one voice. But the rules of society are not dictated by ME, they are dictated by WE, constrained by our laws and the constitution. Who are YOU Nani to tell some punk kid he is not allowed to spend HIS MONEY on weed or cocaine? Who are YOU Nani to tell people they are not allowed to serve alcohol after 2 am?

        Worse than a liar, a CONFUSED liar. You have no problem DICTATING to others how their money can and cannot be spent. There are plenty of liberals much FURTHER to the left than I am that don't want half the money we spend on the military used the way it is. Who are YOU to tell them they would not be better off with the tax money that went to THAT back in their pocket?

        THIS is the price of civilization you FOOLS. This is not ALL ABOUT YOU. ME ME ME, I I I, that is all you can think about. If you do not like tax money going to things you do not want, vote against it, but because we live in a nation of men and NOT JUST you Nani and Rizzo, there will almost CERTAINLY be some money going to things you do not approve of. Stop being a little BABY throwing a tantrum and deal with it.

        This is how you conservatives sound to me.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS7nqwGt4-I

        The mainstream MEDIA is not talking like Mark Levin talks !!!!!!
        The NYT is mean to Trump !!!!!!!!
        I don't WANT to have any tax dollars going to food stamps !!!!!!!!!!
        I ONLY want tax dollars going to what "I" want !!!!!!!!!!!
        ME ME ME !!!!!! "I" "I" "I" !!!!!!!!!!

        Don't like where some of our money is spent? Get in line. But stop crying about it. And for gods sakes, spare me this sanctimonious tripe that YOUR preferences are superior to everyone elses. No, Empress, they are not. You're views don't make you special. From my perspective, your attitudes on healthcare policy make you wicked and callous. And you clearly think the same of me and my views. But for the record, I am the one advocating for the preservation of life here, not you.

      • Nani Tavares  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 1:28 pm

        Ty, as for no one said that 23 million would die…now who got caught in a lie?

      • Ty  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 4:32 pm

        Ok, Nani, you got me, there are fools who overstate the case and state ALL 23 million will die earlier as a consequence of obamacare repeal. Want a cookie? Now stop pointing to the people making points against this Trumpcare repeal that have DROOL coming out of their mouth.

    • Ty  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 12:28 am

      http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2009/09/new-study-finds-45000-deaths-annually-linked-to-lack-of-health-coverage/

      Examples don't matter Rizzo, you will not accept them. NO ONE dies due to lack of healthcare access in your world, at least Aaron would acknowledge it and openly say that is not his problem. HE, unlike you, is not a coward, not a liar, not a weasel.

      Simple question. Do you think we should maintain the LAW the FORCES hospitals to treat patients that go to an emergency room, even if they do not have the ability to pay? (still does jack for people with chronic issues that are not amenable to the acute care delivered at an emergency room, but it's something)

      ANSWER. Do not run away like the coward I think you are, ANSWER the damn question. Should we treat people who can't pay or not? And if we should, WHY do you think we enacted that law under REAGAN in the first damn place? Just to have fun writing words? Or perhaps because we had plenty of cases of hospitals turning people away when it was LEGAL to do so. Are you OK with that? WANT hospitals to be able to turn people away for care when they are able to care for them just because they cannot pay for the care? YES, or NO.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 9:29 am

        Ty…
        I don't know what you do for a living… apparently not much, other than listen to conservative talk radio and mischaractize it. However, let's assume you have a job. Furthermore, I assume you get paid to do your job. Should your job be required to pay you for your work? Would you continue to work if they couldn't or wouldn't pay you?
        Should doctors and nurses be paid to do their jobs? Who pays them? How are they paid?
        In what other profession can people expect to receive services without paying?
        Let's assume you're a ditch-digger (seems safe to assume), can I expect you to dig a ditch for me for free? Should I expect government to FORCE you to do that for free?
        This is what is meant by slavery.
        Leftist/liberalism = Rape
        Conservative/Free Market = Consensual Sex

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 9:37 am

        And just so you know… You're link is GARBAGE. It offers the same, weak evidence that is promoted by climate-change morons.
        It is NO proof that people are dying as a direct result of not having healthcare.
        People die. People died before Obamacare, people die now, and people will continue to die. And guess what… People die where they have government-run, Utopian, single-payer systems.
        The REAL problem is, where they lack FREEDOM, they don't really get to LIVE.

        Buh-Bye Ty…. Why don't you go spread your hate at a pro-baby killing rally… where they will really appreciate it!

      • Nani Tavares  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 1:26 pm

        Good grief Ty, you really don't think that the money I earn is really mine. You think that all money belong to the collective whole to be spent by an elite group who knows better how they should spend money we earn. You do not get that IS exactly the great sin and danger of Liberalism. Unionism allows us to stand strong and combine our resources to build, but without individualism, there can be no growth. And combining resources MUST allow decision and the basic understanding that the resource is still and always will be the property of each person. To forget that is to strip away each person's freedom. This lack of understanding is the reason for your anger and frustration. You're like a young adult who can't comprehend why Mom and Dad doesn't want to keep writing those checks and giving you access to "our" money.

      • Ty  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 2:49 pm

        The money you earn, AFTER TAXES, is yours. EVEN IF every liberal was teleported to a different planet, you would still offer up a portion of your earnings to pay for things CONSERVATIVES want socialized like the cost of defense for the nation and funding courts and congress. You think you can do all that at the same level with an abolition of the income tax? Good luck. Especially with all those conservative seniors collecting social security they paid into.

      • Nani Tavares  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 3:14 pm

        Ty, the key word is "offer". You are not asking, you are demanding. You truly fail to comprehend the danger in denying ownership of what a person owns. If the government can say you only own 80% AFTER taxes, what is to stop them from saying that 50% is theirs or 80% or ALL? You really don't see that when you cede ownship of any part of what YOU earn, you cede your freedom.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 5:29 pm

        Nani
        You are so RIGHT! Well said!

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 5:44 pm

        Ty… That's PERFECT. PLEASE don't pay for defense. Perhaps we can ship ALL you libtards to an island… We'll call it UTOPIA. You won't have to pay a dime for defense. The flip-side is, of course, you will have NO DEFENSE. And we'll see how long you leftist-tards last.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 5:48 pm

        Ah yes Social Security. Another leftist, Utopian dream. Why does every leftist's dream end in bankruptcy and failure?
        Too bad Madoff didn't invent social security, at least we would have put him in jail… but, government, NO. Just keep feeding the Ponzi-Scheme… if only we give it more money, will it thrive.
        How pathetic… you leftists have NO ABILITY TO LEARN.

      • Nani Tavares  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 6:30 pm

        A history lesson here. For a very long time, the government did not tax personal incomes. It was tried and found unconstitutional until Congress "amended" the law.

        The 16th amendment reads: "The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration." This power allows the government to take whatever they want, from wherever they want.

        And from this came the belief that your money isn't really yours; it's what the government says is yours. When you work, you don't do it for you and your family; you do it for the government. They can and do tell you what YOUR money should be spent on and how much you get to spend on you and yours.

        But surely we have to pay for defense and other things that affect our community as a whole. Only…only the government was able to do all that for years WITHOUT taking our personal income. They did it with Tariffs and other taxes. The trouble came when they looked at the people's personal income and decided that it did not belong to the individual, it belonged to the government. That is government control and a lost of one's freedom.

        So in light of the fact that the constitution was amended and we have to pay taxes on our personal income, what exactly am I saying? Respect the fact that it IS MY money. Ask and explain what you want to do with MY money. Do not make demands of me; I am NOT responsible for the suffering of this world and YES, me and mine WILL come first. It doesn't make me selfish to say no; it makes YOU childish to have a tantrum because you don't hear a "yes".

      • Ty  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 4:39 pm

        Rizzo, I am starting to think you have the attention span and intellectual comprehension of a fruit fly or some kind of diseased gnat.

        Where did you get that I, a liberal, want no money spent on defense? I was just pointing out that MOST conservatives want that too, and btw, they are not allowing the cost of that expense to be OFFERED up voluntarily, it's mandatory expense taken through taxes. I happen to be just fine with that, because I'm not an ideologue. But when the tax dollars go to anything the Cruz wing disapproves of, they howl and say the SAME tax money spent on other things is THEFT and immoral.

        Yes.

        Taking tax money and spending it on things WE are in favor of = MORAL
        Taking tax money and spending money on things we are NOT in favor of is IMMORAL !!!!!!!

        …. no, you entitled little Cruzlings, it's part of a representative democracy in action, where you do not get EVERY sliver of policy and expense to align with YOUR precise preferences. And you feeble minded little broken people are too WEAK to deal with that reality.

        Pathetic. Pathetic ideology for pathetic people and pathetic minds. I'm an atheist, but I'll thank the gods I was not saddled with that kind of broken mind so many talk radio listeners in the peanut gallery are saddled with.

      • Ty  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 4:48 pm

        What's that Rizzo? You want respect for your own personal earnings to be 100% with no income taxes?

        No. You live in the United States, and as a consequence are bound by our laws. If you don't want to live by those rules, you get get the hell out and leave. Though I'm not sure where you will go. There are no nations that I am aware of that have no income tax, perhaps Somalia or some third world developing nations that are closer to the kind of anarchic state of nature libertarian types have fevered dreams over.

        To other conservatives who have not ingested rabies like these two mouth foamers, perhaps you just want a higher percentage of your income left for yourself after taxes. I understand. And we can argue that out. Personally, I have a psychological barrier against taking more than 50% of a persons income for federal and state taxes, and I know that can ho higher in states like NY with no deductions taken. The problem is that some of the radicals on your side seem to want virtually zero income taxes, or a level so low that we'd have to radically reshape the structure of government services, including our military. And they get mad that the rest of the nation does not wan to follow them into the puts of Galts Gultch. I will not let them take us there without a fight, I will rail against these people because I do not want the US to turn into some free for all. If any of you do, you can't do that hear without expecting massive push back.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 5:31 pm

        Ty… you are a historical moron. You don't get to vote on anything and everything to spend tax money on and then use that as the definition of "moral and immoral" reasons for taking people's money. That is ABSURD!
        Government has legitimate purposes, as defined by The US Constitution. When government performs those legitimate functions, they are legitimately collecting taxes to fund such functions. NOBODY HAS EVER ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD SAID THAT ALL TAXES ARE BAD, AND THAT ALL GOVERNMENT IS BAD, AND THAT THE INCOME TAX IS ILLIGITMATE AND IMMORAL. Quit arguing about positions that NOBODY has taken.
        I don't even know why you worry about taxes. CLEARLY, you have no problem with debt. Just keep printing money and giving it to as many people as you can.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 5:39 pm

        Ty: Let's vote to confiscate all the wealth of the 1%. It will help the poor.

        Wow…. A majority of people support it!

        Ty: Well, you know that means it must be "moral" to take their money.

        What a clueless moron you are!

  5. Rizzo  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 10:42 am

    And here is how you leftist, leeches sound to me.

    https://youtu.be/ZXtd-OG62HY

  6. Rizzo  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 11:41 am

    “Even this grim figure is an underestimate — now one dies every 12 minutes.”
    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!
    Oh my God, do the leftist ever stop? They don't even understand how they destroy their own credibility.
    I guess they figure, if we can convince even one moron (Ty, I'm looking your way), then it's worth it.
    But, for every one moron they convince, 5 thinkers are turned away.
    You're losing Ty… Your ideology is wrong. It lacks logic, wisdom, facts, knowledge… all things necessary for serious debate.

  7. Rizzo  •  Jul 17, 2017 at 12:00 pm

    Correction: "It is NO proof that people are dying as a direct result of not having healthcare."
    – Replace "Healthcare" with Healthcare-Insurance.
    As we ALL know "Healthcare-Insurance" is no guarantee of receiving "Healthcare"
    Just ask the poor parents of Charlie in the single-payer Utopia of England.

  8. Bill Baxter  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 3:43 pm

    Michael is the only conservative media host who I can listen to for more than a few minutes (I consider myself a moderately liberal Democrat).

    If the Republican Congressional leadership came up with a bill which, in my judgment, improved on the Affordable Care Act, I would support that. However they have not done so. It appears to me that they are either unwilling or unable to do so. Both the House and Senate versions would, in my judgment, harm the public health.

    • Rizzo  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 3:49 pm

      Bill

      Serious question… Is improving the public health THE MOST IMPORTANT THING?
      Because, it can be done. Government can take over what we eat, force us to exercise, make us go to "free" preventative care checkups, etc. Many things can be done to improve the public health… but, wouldn't you agree that there are other important considerations as well?

    • Ty  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 4:55 pm

      Michael is self aware enough to know how repulsive Cruz and his supporters can be, even if he holds back. He is self aware enough to know that not everyone wants that vision for the nation. It tempers his attitude and approach, something completely missing from a Prager type, who with a calm voice repeatedly stated Obama was the worst President in American History. Which as far as I can tell, the criteria for such a qualification seems to merely be: Is not a conservative.

      As for the republican healthcare bill, the primary goal has nothing to do with healthcare cost or access. It's about freeing up budget revenue to give more headroom for tax cuts to people who are already doing extremely well in the economy.

      Some will have access to lower premiums, younger people that area already healthier, but if they get sick they will have lower coverage limits, that is how the premiums were lowered in the first place, that along with removing sicker people from those pools that cannot rely on those flimsy coverage pools. Conservatives by and large have never been interested in healthcare policy, this is why the nation needs liberals.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 5:23 pm

        Sounds great Ty…. Go ahead and pass your Utopian Dream in California, and show us all how great it is.
        Oh wait, you're all too busy worrying about banning plastic bags and creating sanctuary cities.

      • Nani Tavares  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 6:16 pm

        Rizzo, Rizzo, I warned you before that Liberals like Ty are angry because they keep losing. They are going to say ugly things and many times not make sense. Fact is that the working class and the majority are tired of being labeled selfish and racist and intolerant and a whole bunch of things that are meant to control what they think and feel.

        Be a good winner. Smile. Enjoy. The tide has really changed. And if you think about it for a moment, it IS rather amusing.

      • Ty  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 7:27 pm

        Angry? I'm not angry at all, I am still fairly confident that long term our ideas will win out because they work better. I do however get irritated at the slower pace to progress and stalls due to people like you all standing in the way. But I'm not going to throw a tantrum over it, I am content to call out the nonsense as a way to vent those frustrations.

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 8:07 pm

        Nani… I do enjoy exposing Ty for the fraud he is.
        And I get great pleasure from stopping LEFTISTS on their constant March to Utopia!

      • Nani Tavares  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 8:27 pm

        Of course you're angry. Liberals came a hair's breath of turning America into another Venezuela and in a matter of months its all unraveling. Sigh. The good news is that nation after nation has proved that socialism/communism doesn't work. Instead of becoming another nation sharing poverty, we are moving toward an America of true equality, tolerance and fairness. A grown up America that understands the difference between helping and enabling.

      • Nani Tavares  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 8:32 pm

        Good for you Rizzo! As long as you take the time to enjoy this corrective period. We've spent 8 years in frustration and disbelief in the twisted bullying of Obama and the Left. We deserve this!

      • Rizzo  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 8:40 pm

        Unlike Ty… I don't question his intentions. I think he wants to help people.
        He's just an idiot… A useful idiot, but an idiot nonetheless.
        He actually believes freedom-loving individuals, like conservatives, want people to die and want to hurt people.
        Further evidence of his idiocy!

    • Nani Tavares  •  Jul 18, 2017 at 6:03 pm

      Bill, exactly HOW can Congress improve "Affordable" care? Obamacare provide more money for the poor but raised the premiums of MILLIONS of working class. Some are paying more on Health Insurance than they are for their mortgage! While we worry about the poor and the unfortunate, we forget about the middle. Are they not entitled to some consideration? Do we ignore their issues? Is it fair to keep sticking them with the bill?

      There can be no "improvement" on an act that is so fundamentally flawed and one sided. It benefits one portion of the population and sticks it to the rest. I would like the government to stay out of Healthcare because it is such a huge part of our lives and I believe that whenever we cede control, we cede our freedom. But since Obama has made Health Insurance a "right", the least we can do is scrap the bill and come together on a FAIR and equitable bill that would benefit EVERYONE, not just the poor.

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