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U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders (I-VT), Democratic presidential candidate, delivers remarks at a Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute presidential candidates forum in Washington, October 7, 2015.  REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

A new poll about public attitudes toward socialism and capitalism helps explain the surprising popularity of Senator Bernie Sanders—despite his proud identification as a “democratic socialist.”

The YouGov survey showed 49% of Democrats said they looked favorably on socialism, while only 37% had a favorable opinion of capitalism—the system that has made America the envy of the world. Even worse, more Democrats—by a 3 to 2 margin—described themselves as socialists than described themselves as capitalists.

Results for Republicans showed a clear majority said who said they were capitalists, but political Independents seemed badly confused. A full 70% said they were neither socialist nor capitalist, or weren’t sure where they stood. This poll doesn’t show  Americans leaning left as much as it shows them leaning ignorant—not understanding that socialism means stifling government control of economic activity, and apparently unaware of this discredited system’s long history of wrecking economies and threatening liberty.

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  1. steve woita  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 12:09 pm

    Perhaps our greatest enemy is the tremendous ignorance of history, the Constitution, economics, sociology, etc. among our people. It seems the main task for us conservatives is to educate our friends and neighbors. What a challenge!

    • troon62  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 7:18 pm

      Amen, Mr. Woita! We have allowed our educational system to dumb itself down to the lowest common denominator, demanding virtually no understanding of American history, civics, or economy. We’re raising ignorants susceptible to emotion appeals above all else. In other words, we’re in big trouble.

    • Zerozee0  •  Oct 24, 2015 at 1:48 am

      Unfortunately, I’m afraid that the Lion’s Share of these Sheeple have no DESIRE to be educated. They have an attention span of milliseconds, unless, of course, the subject is Sports, the Kardashians, Dancing with the Stars, or their own pedantic existences… We, as a Civilization, have devolved to such a state of Nihilism that is unparalleled in our existence as a species….. I truly believe that we’re past the point of no return, and it cuts me to the quick to envision the world my grandchildren are going to inherit.

      • George Townsend  •  Nov 11, 2015 at 11:53 am

        Amen to the three of you! It is so sad that there is such ignorance – and even among some people who wish to call themselves conservative. I think this ignorance explains a good part of the support for Donald Trump! Too many of them seem to like the fact that this man is really quite nasty! Being able to fight against injustice is one thing; constantly hurling insults at people who disagree with you is quite another. This is NOT conservatism; conservatism is more just a set of policy positions, it is a way of living in a fallen world, with dignity, tradition, and civilized behavior!

  2. Sue  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 12:10 pm

    Thank you Michael Medved for shedding light – once again – on Facts.

    I still say it should be required that people listen to you and read your columns before they vote. The educated and informed of us are truly amazed at the amount of ignorance in this Country and how detrimental it could be (and has been) to the rest of us.

  3. Robert Horton  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 12:11 pm

    My sentiments exactly,…more and more people that I have made an acquaintance with are stuck on these very issues; some are yearning more of our Constitutional rights and pining those rights to our basic liberties under control of our government! I suggest that knowing our basic constitutional rights versus free liberal ideals be sought after, first! Mention” Conservative Talk,” for more advice on how to approach these issues!

  4. Dr. Tim Hadley  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 12:52 pm

    The very predictable results of 2 generations of the non-teaching of American history, American government, civics, Western civilization, and other important classes in both American high schools AND universities. The left-wingers are getting what they want–an ignorant nation, which is then a nation much easier to destroy. Every aspect of America is under assault–education, popular culture, law and government–you name it. It is being assaulted, and unless major efforts are made to stop these assaults, in 25-50 years it will be destroyed.

    • troon62  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 7:20 pm

      I couldn’t agree more with you. Conservatives can focus all of their energies on political contests, but the real war is being fought — and lost — the trenches of our schools. Unless we focus our efforts on a vast reformation of our schools and their curricula, we’re screwed.

    • Dan  •  Oct 28, 2015 at 3:42 pm

      haha, what are you talking about? What is it with conservatives and them thinking everything is “under attack?” How exactly is popular culture under attack? You don’t have any idea what you’re talking about.

      • George Townsend  •  Nov 11, 2015 at 12:03 pm

        Unfortunately, Dan, we do. We take people seriously who claim they are in the wrong body; we keep calling people who live on the street “Homeless”, instead of insisting on treating them; and we prosecute people whose religion tells them that men marrying men is wrong. Our main problem today is cultural, and our biggest mistake is listening to every single individual out there, no matter what problem he or she poses to society, instead of realizing that the larger issue is that we must think of the great majority of individuals, who make up that society, and the fact that we have rights too!

    • openeyedamerican  •  Jan 20, 2016 at 8:55 pm

      Wow! Dr. Tim Hadley and others, the sheer ignorance of statements made ON this post are mind boggling! First off, am I a "left winger"? NO! Am I a "conservative"? Heck no you just went from bad to worse! Am I a truly "educated" and informed citizen who can think on my own? Yes.

      To claim "conservatives" (this entire liberal & conservative thing is outdated, both sides of political equation entirely corrupt within the system itself) are living with "dignity & tradition" in a "fallen world" with "civilized behavior" is downright to trite, elementary and cliché. Our 7th graders today are more sophisticated than that, can think outside the box of "norm".

      The ignorance that goes into those not well-traveled, well "educated" beyond their Harvard MBA's (I am an MBA, but not speaking of mere book-educated here) enough to think that capitalism has made America the envy of the world, is our biggest threat. Or that "Socialism" of which the average Joe in America has no clue what means, ignorantly equate to "Communism" of which was never a threat. Capitalism has no qualms with Communism, at least not the unbridled Capitalism of our system today. No clue do you people have, that every country practicing democratic "socialism" of some sort have FAR more freedom than USA.

      "American History" cannot be taught out of a book, or at least not out of books raging with political rhetoric of bellicose "glory" within a country destroying itself, just as our Founding Fathers warned. Otherwise, we produce ignorant people that believe we got involved in WWII to "stop Hitler", or that Pearl Harbor was a "sneak attack", going down the same path of misinformation, irrelevant revenge, and supremacy extremacy bringing USA down to ranking 98th in global peace today.

      The "dumbing down" runs far deeper than anything going on in our schools. Its with Fox, CNN, the Catholic and other churches (I am Catholic but awake) playing the religiously radical fundamental game of "duty to God & country" with our perpetual war economy.

      For those of you that can't fathom what I say, you fail to live with "dignity" and live with perhaps too deep a "tradition" that many of us have learned to let go of. News flash: America is hardly the "world", I've traveled the world 3x over and guess what? Its far more 'pro-American" and "Patriotic" to pledge an allegiance to the world, not our flag, to open our horizons and realize money in politics is the ONLY reason for those battlefields in your ignorant minds. Practice more dignity, and fight for clean air, clean water, clean souls.

  5. Don Brayton  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 1:00 pm

    I believe your comments to be accurate and I favor Capitalism. More important: I favor that every government to be limited with the limitations expressed clearly and efficiently in a document of agreement. But even more important: I want leaders (read politicians where applicable) who lead with truth, open agendas, persuasion and negotiation rather than force, threat, deceit or stealth.
    Observe how easily groups of trustworthy individuals, including their leaders, survive and prosper. We are going the other way in order to feed the compulsions of our human animal dominators. If only they could see how they would benefit from our cooperation and support if they were trustworthy and lead with truth.
    Thanks, Michael, for all your work.

  6. scott  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 3:04 pm

    Michael,

    I was hoping for more depth to this article. I have a number of younger friends and even a daughter that love the idea of socialism. We need tools to help them understand the dangers. I was hoping this article would be more of a tool.

  7. JAC  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 3:37 pm

    For those who know history socialism has proven to be an economic cancer. For those who don’t all they know are the lies and half truths that the Democratic Party has spewed for (primarily) the last 7 years. Not a long time, really, but an eternity for conservatives.
    Democrats will lie, cheat, steal and destroy to achieve their goals and regretfully Republicans have done to little to stop them. I believe that few conservatives even know the extent of indoctrination going on in high schools and colleges across America today or how hard it is for parents to stop it.
    I’m not convinced that republicans are prepared to get dirty enough to stop them.

    • Dan  •  Oct 28, 2015 at 3:44 pm

      Where have socialist ideas been a disaster? Our national highways are surely a socialist idea. Have they been a disaster? What about a little something called national defense. That’s a socialist idea. Public school?

      • Al  •  Oct 30, 2015 at 8:14 pm

        Not surprisingly, you conflate a social program with socialism. Two very different ideas.

        Socialism, as generally defined, is the government management of everything related to production of capital. The producers work to produce capital and the government spreads the resulting capital around to all, dictated by their need.

        Police, highway maintenance, national defense, Social Security and other such systems are “social programs”, NOT Socialism. The people are asked to contribute a portion of their earned capital in support of the greater social good.

        With capitalism, people work, they earn capital and they are then allowed under our Constitutional freedom to use that capital as they see fit.

      • Dan  •  Nov 9, 2015 at 4:28 pm

        Oh, OK Al, so let’s say hypothetically that I don’t support funding for the federal department of homeland security. Can I exercise my “Constitutional freedom to use that capital as I see fit?”

        No, of course not. It’s a government program and my tax dollars go toward funding it, tax dollars that I am required to pay or I will go to jail.

        You can have socialist ideas and socialist programs, such as federal high ways and police, and not live in a totally socialist state. What you are offering is called a false dichotomy.

      • George Townsend  •  Nov 11, 2015 at 12:08 pm

        Dan, you will never be educated. It is very sad. As Michael points out, Socialism is the idea that governments own everything. National Roads are not socialist; they are getting around in a modern world.
        The epitome of socialism was the U.S.S.R., a truly evil nation, who was finally taken off life support, with not a small help from a man named Reagan!

    • openeyedamerican  •  Jan 20, 2016 at 9:07 pm

      The "indoctrination" that goes on in schools equates to the ignorance of enabling a corrupt federal system allow military recruiters onto campuses, asking those girls and equally as criminal boys to "fight for their country" as the uneducated, dumbed down marketing spin claims. This oppressive act is allowed for the same exact reason we see America itself falling today—-money in politics. Because public schools get "money from the feds", we allow the feds to incriminate innocent kids with the unsustainable political & economic war economy.

      But of course, only those educated enough through a combination of school, travels, listening, learning, and opening their horizons understand this.

      "Socialism" is not an economic cancer. But the military cancer spread through our nation is. Military cancer is like a tumor, spreading through the tissues of our nation, killing it just as any cancer does. Most affected is the brain, people are so numbed down, dumbed down with bellicose political rhetoric and false flag fear tactics throughout our war owned and controlled media, they can't think for themselves.

    • openeyedamerican  •  Apr 5, 2016 at 1:02 pm

      Actually, the worse "cancer" for our economy has been Military Cancer. Good documentary on this to educate people here, google it. "Military Cancer" reflects how the US Military, with its self destructive and vast bureaucratic reach works exactly like a cancer does within a human. It is tearing our societies tissues apart, killing our nation internally exactly like the growth of cancerous cells, infiltrating its ugly deadly growth into our brains, eating away any common sense. Its never been about "defense", yet dumbed down people within America are programmed like robots to believe we stop "bad people" around the world and "liberate" countries—-you know, we "spread our democracy" we don't have in the USA, with our votes paid for by 12 socially irresponsible industrial scum-fucks. With this dumbed down ignorance, comes the deep seated false notion "Socialism" has anything to do with "Communism", or that "communism" was EVER a threat to United States. Our "His"-story books angle words with political rhetoric exactly like our war owned & controlled TV "news" does. Wake up America! Our unbridled capitalism of today has no qualms with communism, and in fact is worse as millions of peoples daughters and sons are hunted down by unethical military recruiters, claiming they could "serve their nation", in endless needless wars for oil, arms trade for heroin, and a corrupt control. That is not "freedom"

      ALL Democratic Socialist societies have FAR FAR FAR more freedom than America, as they don't spend more than half the world combined on the primitive institution of war & weapons under deceiving ironic marketing spins of "protecting our way of life". They instead invest in the social good of their people—-education, healthcare, infrastructure, transportation, environmental protection for toxic chemicals in food, water, air causing cancer. There is good reason those nations rank among top 10 most peacfeul nations in the world vs USA dropping below 100th at one point, now hovering at 94th or so. War does not bring peace. Its a business driven out of Wall Street—-with the likes of Hillary the Hitler, Trump the Tyranical T-Rex dinosaur, Bush, Obama and others guilty of horrific war crimes. War crimes against American people for the past 13+ years. Time to put money into the social good, our next generation deserves better. Educate yourselves before posting such misinformed remarks, do your homework. Bernie Sanders is the ONLY Presidential candidate with an ounce of humanitarian morals and money sense to see the big picture.

  8. A different Scott  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 3:39 pm

    As I understand the concepts, what we already have here is a mixture of Capitalism and Socialism although predominantly Capitalism in the private sphere. Veterans of our military and senior citizens of adequate age already enjoy benefits that are at least Progressive, if not Socialist. It may be that a balance has to be attained, purity of one kind or the other may not be the right goal to have.

    • JAC  •  Oct 23, 2015 at 6:54 pm

      The kind of socialism being discussed here is the the government controling most of the country’s economic activity in one form or another. Taking care if vets, social security, social safety nets etc are social programs for sure but not economic socialism. Excessive regulations in health care, banking etc are ways of controling those aspects of our economy …

  9. Beano  •  Oct 24, 2015 at 6:07 am

    I believe many are unaware like you said. They take everything here for granted and think the other nations are like us and don’t understand how extremely lucky Americans are that things basically work here because of Judeo Christian values which third-world countries lack.

    • openeyedamerican  •  Apr 5, 2016 at 1:43 pm

      As a glance out my living room window at the huge, panoramic, beautiful view of the Golden Gate Bridge, Bay Bridge, expanse surreal beauty of SF Bay, and think of the amazing life I've had here in America where I was born in the early 60's…..I have to say, what I am about to say, is NOT about me. there is nothing about my life I'd wish to change. But its high time people take a dose of reality and THINK about an entire next generation. Our children. They deserve better than a nation wasting half its budgetary pie on self destructive wars and weapons, under false marketing spin of "freedom and security", target marketed to appeal only to the ignorant, uneducated populace with their robotic dumbed down minds glued to TV sets. USA could finally have the "freedom" more than 10 other nations have that are "Democratic Socialist" systems, as what that merely means is investing in the overall social good of its people, on POSITIVE assets like education, healthcare, infrastructure. Rather than staying the sick, unsustainable status quo of our ugly war economy. Let it go people, learn what is truly transpiring in the world rather than what we, the American people, have been deeply indoctrinated to believe. NO other nation is "envious" of us! NO nation "hates us for our freedom". The pity the arrogance within of falling into a submissive suppressive supremacy extremacy act a culture so mired in irrelevant revenge for all thos fake "enemies" out there, when we have had shady characters within CIA/DEA/DIA/Pentagon bombing the middle east for decades with long standing plan to destabilize entire regions for oil, arms & drug trade. 75% of arms carried by so called "ISIS" come from USA so called "defense" contractors. Our soldiers are not "heroes", those girls and boys are victims of a violence for profit spectacle all played out like a violent video game or "reality TV" show on your TV screens. Is this the way you wish to spend your tax dollars, or put it into the common good of our society? Educate yourselves on what "Democratic socialism" means. If you vote for anyone but Bernie Sanders, your vote against your own best interest. Hillary, Trump & others will have your daughters at war, rather than attending college.

  10. Dave  •  Oct 24, 2015 at 12:27 pm

    When the Bern and others mention countries like Sweden or Denmark (or even our good friends in Canada), we must understand that they can only implement their pseudo-socialism BECAUSE of the fantastic success of American capitalism. To some lesser extent, our friends in Britain. If Canada had to spend sufficient funds to protect itself and it’s vast resource wealth, they couldn’t afford the social spending. But they know that their brother to the south has their back. If Russian troops landed in the Northwest Terrorizes to confiscate mineral wealth, we’d drive them away. The same is true with European pseudo-socialism. If the “Big Cop” of NATO wasn’t there, then these countries would be forced by the reality of imperialists like Putin to dump a ton more money into defense. If Bernie had his way, the pseudo-socialist Utopias he wants us to emulate would go the way of the Dodo bird as Spetsnaz forces confiscated their land for the glory of Mother Russia.

    • Sela  •  Oct 26, 2015 at 10:01 pm

      Thanks Dave. An excellent point that I have never heard discussed.

    • jimbo sledge  •  Nov 18, 2015 at 7:59 pm

      Often thought the same thing myself. Those countries can devote a much larger percentage of their GDP to social welfare policies because the USA spends a massive amount of money on our military to protect the free world and stabilize the world. Without the American military, those countries would have to spend far more on their military and would have to cut many of the benefits by even more than they are currently cutting them.

    • openeyedamerican  •  Apr 5, 2016 at 2:01 pm

      Dave, you are sadly out of touch with reality, falling for false flag fear tactics of "enemies". Not only is the US Military not defending our nation, it is NOT "defending" anyone else. Foremost themselves…..we've had 2.1 million girls/boys tossed into a needless fighting arena since 2003 alone, on a phony "War on Terrorism", to drive an unsustainable war economy bringing USA down today. We are the warfare capital of the world, at our own expense, an empire, self destructing. and who are the innocent yet misinformed "troops" that would "have their back" you speak of? Your daughters? Military recruiters now hunt down girls more than boys, knowing they have discriminated against the lives of males long enough. Are you really so ignorant you believe war "serves our nation?". The US Military today is the biggest, scariest, most self destructive killing machine the world has ever known, and it is suppressing America, our people, our families even those of us that will NEVER be ignorant enough to have a loved one join such oppressive organization. We are too well educated and well traveled to remain in the dark about the primitive institution called war.

      Please think for yourself outside the unhealthy box we've deemed a "norm", do some research. right abut now, we have CIA funded militia fighting Pentagon funded militia in Syria…..and we can assure you, and NOT about "protecting our nation", or "defending" ANY other people. Never was. Lets learn to "protect" the positive social assets of war torn America, stop our horrific militarized police force, stop glorifying our violence for profit business model, stop paranoid uneducated nutcases in believing guns and war are about "defense". Anyone holding onto such primitive cowboy and Indian facade, living on the fantasy freedom cloud, are living in the wrong places within our nation. Russia is not a "threat", nor is "ISIS" of whom we created. Its CIA funded, 75 % armed through our self destructive "defense" sector. We are our own worst enemy, time for change. Bernie Sanders is the only candidate for White House, the only one with integrity, morals, courage to have been a conscientious objector that than a coward hiding behind bombs and bullets submissive to our extremist "mission" killing our nation. Wake up America, learn to live outside the group think tank that doesn't think. Life is good.

  11. FactsAndScienceAreFun  •  Oct 26, 2015 at 12:08 pm

    Actually, the United States has always had a Mixed Economic System with both capitalist and socialist practices in it. The Fire Department, Police, Military, public schools, public roads, medicare, medicaid, social security, etc are inherently socialist ideas, not capitalist ones. All the commenters on here who cry about everyone else’s ignorance are showing the same or worse level of ignorance not knowing this.

    • Jimbo Sledge  •  Oct 28, 2015 at 4:51 pm

      You are just wrong. Our system is a capitalist system. That is undeniable. There is private property and private ownership and control of the means of production. A small portion of the economy are programs that could be described as sharing some characteristics of socialism, but they are not socialism. And it is important to note that it is capitalism that supports these programs. That is why they aren’t accurately called socialism, which includes government ownership or control of the MEANS OF PRODUCTION. We don’t have that in USA. Even the military, the function with the most government control, uses private contractors and arguably equally benefits everybody. Let’s look at your examples. (1) Social security and medicare are forced retirement and health insurance programs where you pay in for years and then benefits at the end. Even the poorest have to pay the FICA tax. Benefits are generally based on what you pay in and how long. If it was socialism, the lower wage earners would pay nothing and the high wage earners would pay everything. And to top it off, the SS tax is limited to about the first $110k of income. That is not socialism. Those are forced retirement and health insurance plans. (2) Police and fire and military are not socialism. They protect everybody and their property. Their protection doesn’t just go to the poor. The rich and the poor benefit equally. And when you look at taxation that supports fire and police, a lot of it is not even progressive taxation. Sales taxes and property taxes are mostly not progressive. And some even argue that the benefit of police and fire protection goes more to the rich because they have more to protect. So how you call that socialism, I don’t know. (3) Military – the government uses private contractors to make military equipment. The government does not own or control the private contractors. And the military protects everybody, not just the poor. And some even argue that the military benefit goes more to the rich because they have more to protect. Is that socialism? No. (4) Public roads? See military. Everybody can use these equally but it can be argued that the rich benefit the most because their income producing enterprises benefit the most. (5) medicaid is certainly has more characteristics of socialism than the others but again, the government does not own or control doctors or hospitals or drug companies. They use private companies. The Veterans Administration is about the only one that is run by the government but VA benefits are payment for services – serving in the military. That isn’t socialism. I could go on but I won’t.

      As is typical of people who use words like truth, reason, science, facts, etc in their screen name, you have a tenuous grip on all of those things.

      One funny side note is that whenever republicans/conservatives call democrats socialist or say they support socialism, people like you come out of the woodwork and cite the dictionary definition of socialism and then say how dumb republicans/conservatives are because they don’t even know the definition of socialism. In honor of those people, I am citing those definitions below. I will note that the examples you mentioned are not socialism under any of the definitions that your friends on the left like to use.

      Full Definition of SOCIALISM

      1
      : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
      2
      a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property
      b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
      3
      : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.

      Bottom line, your snarky comment was a complete failure. Facts and science probably aren’t as fun for you as you think.

      • Dan  •  Oct 28, 2015 at 6:15 pm

        I don’t get how you seem to think that fire fighters or police aren’t socialist ideas since they benefit everyone equally. Benefiting everyone equally is supposed to be a major tenet of socialism. And yes, they’re most definitely socialist policies, just like our military, public school system, cops, firemen, public roads, etc. are. You just don’t like it because it flies in the face of your world view and politics.

      • jguy  •  Nov 10, 2015 at 5:49 pm

        If I remember my economic education correctly…..A Capitalist “owns the means of
        production.” Only a very small part of the American people own anything more
        than a few shares of anything that is a “means of production.” This would tell
        me that they are actually not capitalists although many imagine themselves to
        be Adam Smith clones.

      • jimbo sledge  •  Nov 18, 2015 at 7:52 pm

        Dan, go back and read my comment. I stated in my comment why those programs are not socialism. The main reason is that socialism means government ownership and control of the means of production and usually no private property. It is also usually thought to include the idea from each according to his ability and to each according to his needs. Nearly everything you mentioned there does not include government ownership and control of the means of production.

        And about your definition of socialism being “benefiting everyone equally:” Social security is a forced retirement program. You don’t get it if you or your spouse did not pay in. Therefore, it is not “everyone benefits equally.” Medicare is a forced health insurance scheme for elderly people where you get benefits based on what you paid in. That is not “everyone benefits equally.” Medicaid is only for people below and just above the poverty level. If you make more than the income cutoff, you don’t get any benefits. So again, none of these programs benefit everybody equally. And as I stated in my earlier comment – the military, police, fire, all of those benefit the rich more because the rich have more to protect. Even by your own definition those programs are not socialism.

        I don’t think it matters whether you call these programs socialist or not. It is just semantics really. The fact is that the USA has a capitalist economy and there are some programs tacked on top that share some characteristics with socialism. All of the programs that you call socialist are supported by a capitalist base. Without the capitalist base, none of those programs could exist. Call them socialism if it makes you feel good. It really doesn’t matter what you call them.

      • jimbo sledge  •  Nov 18, 2015 at 7:55 pm

        jguy – capitalism and socialism are two types of economies. Just because a person in a capitalist system doesn’t own anything, that doesn’t mean that the economy he works in is not a capitalist economy. Also, generally when you say socialist and capitalist, you mean people who support those ideas. It isn’t necessary to own a factory to be a “capitalist.”

  12. Erich  •  Oct 27, 2015 at 3:27 am

    The premise is wrong. Unions made America great. The decline of unions mirrors the decline of the middle class.

    • Jimbo Sledge  •  Oct 28, 2015 at 4:52 pm

      You have convinced me with your voluminous evidence and reasoning.

  13. George  •  Oct 27, 2015 at 3:35 am

    So… the world is full of Dangerously Ignorant people: like the Canadians, the British, the Norwegians, Swedish people, the Danes, The Germans, and even your favorite country, after the US, Israel. Seems like the Democrats are in good company

  14. jguy  •  Oct 28, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    Naturally people who are very successful in the capitalist world like very successful
    talk show hosts and authors are going to be very pro-capital – and good for their
    success BUT the reason more people are more inclined toward a type of
    socialism today is because there are less and less of the very successful and
    a great concentration of wealth among the very few. In societies that have
    undergone violent social change there was always a small group at the top
    who were very satisfied. The most dramatic example would be the Russian
    czar and his family enjoying the warmth and wealth of privilege as the masses
    struggled to survive…..not the way it is in America today but a window into why
    people become dissatisfied in an economically unbalanced society.

  15. Jim Bird  •  Nov 1, 2015 at 11:35 am

    People are capitalists because they have the RIGHT to choose their own path unencumbered by government, unions, utilities dictating what they must do – paying them to dictate bad ideas and policies. In a free civil society a bad idea for a good or service fails immediately because no one wants your good or service, the business goes out of business and no one gets hurt except the bad idea producer. Government never has a bad idea that they won’t throw money at until the end of time. All socialist, liberals, Marxist, big govt, statist, communist, fascist, etc.ist you call it systems, which are all different degrees of socialism, fail miserably without exception. They count on capitalists to fund their bad ideas by over-taxation, until the whole system collapses. Obama is the personification of this ghoulish philosophy – he demonizes big business but destroys the middle class consolidating their businesses into the giant corporations so he can control 80% of our economy in six or seven giant companies. He dictates curriculum through the Dept. of Education rewriting history to be a utopian welfare state always blaming big corporations and republicans for killing the environment and the children. Ironically the environment is capitalist – good ideas reproduce themselves, bad ideas don’t, they die and are replaced by the ones that have worked since we were bacteria.
    What the welfare, social security, govt workers, etc. recipients don’t fully comprehend is that when our economy does collapse, there are no more govt. checks. They just stop.

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