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Some GOP presidential candidates have recently tried to exploit the immigration issue by accusing their opponents of supporting “amnesty.” As a matter of fact, none of the Republicans backs amnesty the way Reagan did in 1986—granting quick legal status to those who had entered the country illegally, inevitably encouraging more illegal immigration.

Today’s Republicans, even those endorsing immigration reform, demand improvements in border security first, and would impose a long, hard path on all those who sought permanent legal status—including payment of fines, back taxes, full background checks, demonstrated fluency in English and a return to the back of the line before any application for citizenship.

The real division among Republicans involves mass deportation, not amnesty. Like most Americans, most GOP candidates reject the idea of deporting 11,000,000 illegals and their families as practically inconceivable and politically impossible.

Those who promote that idea mislead the electorate with a demagogic concept outside the Republican – and American – mainstreams.

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  1. Rizzo  •  Nov 19, 2015 at 12:03 am

    “Today’s Republicans, even those endorsing immigration reform, demand improvements in border security first, and would impose a long, hard path on all those who sought permanent legal status—including payment of fines, back taxes, full background checks, demonstrated fluency in English and a return to the back of the line before any application for citizenship.”
    – if are politicians are not willing to enforce current laws, why would new laws help?

  2. Rizzo  •  Nov 19, 2015 at 12:04 am

    “Today’s Republicans, even those endorsing immigration reform, demand improvements in border security first, and would impose a long, hard path on all those who sought permanent legal status—including payment of fines, back taxes, full background checks, demonstrated fluency in English and a return to the back of the line before any application for citizenship.”
    – if our politicians are not willing to enforce current laws, why would new laws help?

    • Tom Smith  •  Nov 23, 2015 at 9:15 pm

      How can you “Reform” laws that are not being enforced?
      Like, if we grant Amnesty, then and only then, will our laws be enforced?
      Lol/

      • American  •  Nov 27, 2015 at 11:32 am

        Some of us support a moratorium on all immigration, an end to automatic birth citizenship, an end to chain migration, the deportation of all illegal aliens in the country (using the military if necessary and making it ongoing into perpetuity), the encouragement of pro-diversity liberals to leave the U.S. and go diversify foreign lands with themselves. Just to be clear.

  3. Lee  •  Nov 19, 2015 at 3:59 pm

    The feasibility of mass deportation is just not there, but regardless of your ideas of right and wrong one has to admit that the illegal aliens got here by breaking our laws. I personally do not care about the motivation of those that come here illegally. Yes! We have a wonderful and great country and much of that greatness was created by immigrants….those that came here legally. So what are we to do with those that crossed our borders without permission? If they want to become citizens of the United States they must leave and come back through the front door like other legal immigrants. Otherwise, if they want to stay here then they have to come forward and do what others have suggested, e.g. fines, taxes, etc, etc. BUT, they can NEVER become citizens of the United States and that means no entitlements, no voting and no benefits. That will be hard for other to swallow, but the choice is theirs to make. For those with anchor babies….they leave with the parents and come back through the front door. Otherwise, ….

    • Tom Smith  •  Nov 23, 2015 at 9:18 pm

      What about the feasibility of a gradual, 10-year attrition of the illegal alien population
      by enforcing our laws?

  4. Jim Bird  •  Nov 19, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    Yep, the immigration problem is so complicated that the citizenry, who provide all the jobs and tax dollars, should keep our racist mouths shut and let the experts (liberals) dictate what’s good and fair for all – open borders for all!! – especially the Syrians and all other Middle East seekers of peace and prosperity.

    • Victor Elkins  •  Nov 20, 2015 at 11:59 am

      Because we want to maintain the Judeo-Christian culture that made this the kindest, most humane country in history you call us racists? I don’t understand what fuels your anger. It is clear that very few immigrants assimilate to traditional American culture anymore, and many of us prefer American culture. Does that really make us racists? Most of us are completely unconcerned with the racial make up of the country; however, we are greatly concerned that red and yellow, black and white we all share a common culture. There is no disputing that, not withstanding the mistakes that have been made, American culture has produced the greatest nation the world had ever known.

    • Lee  •  Nov 20, 2015 at 3:18 pm

      You are about to bite your tongue keeping in your cheek.

  5. Julianne  •  Nov 20, 2015 at 11:29 am

    Republicans could OWN the term “amnesty” by defining it correctly, as the waiver of a penalty, and waiving the small fine imposed for being here illegally, while at the same time demanding registration within a short period of time (90 days) and granting work permits only to those passing investigation. Make it a felony to be here without registering, and then to be here without papers. We’d see a lot of self-deportation when people have to face investigation. No citizenship, ever. Serious border control, and revisit the 14th Amendment and the claim it means anyone born here, even to parents “under the jurisdiction” of their own countries, is automatically a citizen. Bring back a bracero program for seasonal workers–if they can travel freely to see their families, they don’t have to bring those families here, and they can live much better at home than here on the money earned by seasonal workers. Only deport criminals, and those who don’t register and pass investigation but still stay here will BE criminals if we pass the right laws.

    • Lee  •  Nov 20, 2015 at 3:20 pm

      Julianne, I think you are on the right track. Your views are not too different from mine.

  6. Nani  •  Nov 22, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    The biggest problem is that America is a nation of immigrants. And everyone knows or is related to someone that is a recent immigrant. Many still remember the Berlin wall and why “tear down this wall” was so inspiring. To most voters the underlining feeling is that THEY were lucky that their ancestors came here before there were laws and if you think “White guilt” is big, “ancestor guilt” is ingrained in the very fabric weaved by grandparents talking about “the old country”.

    It VERY important that this is understood because those who claim anything short of rounding up Mexicans and shipping them back “home” as amnesty will continue to LOSE elections. Sorry, but that is a fact. Anyone running on that issue may get pass the GOP but will never win the election. And every try at the “no amnesty” apple will make the only party capable of stopping Liberal policies less electable.

    Want to change the minds of voters? Try this:

    1- “Illegal” cannot automatically mean Hispanic. There are tons of other people from different nations also arriving by boat, plane, over staying visas.

    2- “Border security” has to mean BOTH borders, not just the one to the South.

    3- Deportation and walls cannot bring visions of Jews being rounded up and the Berlin wall. Something that OTHER people is and should be ashamed of. Today’s children of immigrants will not be willing to share in that shame.

    4- Birth right is the holy grail that makes American citizenship VALUABLE. Questioning that validity is not just telling the world that being an American is subject to political whim, it is telling Americans that their greatest asset isn’t really worth the paper it’s written on.

    5- Papers proving citizenship should be replaced by a common sense ID requirement of ALL people in America. Voters get that we have a right to know who is living among us.

    6- Wanting to simply “obey the laws” and paying fines being amnesty rings hallow among people who regularly break traffic laws and don’t feel particularly let off when paying hundreds of dollars in fines.

    I have no idea who is running the PR campaign on illegal immigration but they should be taken out and put out of their misery. The whole issue has been a losing one for decades and frankly smacks of racism and gives credence to “ugly American”.

    I really don’t know how many more elections conservatives have to lose; how many more Obamanism America and the world will have to suffer before they get it.

    • Big Maq  •  Nov 23, 2015 at 10:03 pm

      Two things:

      1) Folks have got their priorities backwards, and have for years. We need to stop the bleeding across the border, by getting the security mechanisms/perimeters and processes right, to begin with.
      http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2015/11/17/stop-the-bleeding-n2081475

      Folks get wrapped around the axle, yelling about “Amnesty!”, effectively shutting down any discussion that might move us forward on #1.

      2) With the political world we live in (e.g. sanctuary cities, states issuing driver’s licenses/IDs, courts shutting down state laws designed to help enforce immigration laws) we better get used to the idea that it would take something close to a civil war to deport all 11M+ of these people. Is it even worth it, the cost, the deeper division, the risk of escalation?

      About the cost… has anyone seriously contemplated the cost of deportation? The locating and apprehending will be pricey. But, even more so would be the “due process” they would have to undergo (imagine how many appeals the liberals would instigate?). At the end, probably could pay welfare, medical, and tuition benefits, and still be ahead.

      Why not focus on deporting the ones who do live like criminals, or have broken major laws while living here?

      For the rest, as Julianne says above. Except, they cannot become citizens (i.e. ineligible to vote), and subject to losing their status should they turn to serious criminal activity.

      • Nani  •  Nov 24, 2015 at 2:30 pm

        The cost have been estimated to be in the trillions and a brand new, monster department that will mean a ridiculous government growth. This desire to hand over a blank check to deport and keep out illegal Mexicans looks awfully insincere coming from conservatives who are supposed to want smaller government.

        And paints them as racist.

        Which means, hello Queen Hillary.

        Can we get off stupid please?

      • Dana Fiola  •  Nov 25, 2015 at 5:14 pm

        If you are concerned about the cost of deporting an alien you need to balance that cost against the cost of one of those nice people cost us today as we allow them to raid the treasury, It is far more expensive to allow them to remain. It is sad that you speak the words of the hopeless as opposed to seeing the bright side of the enforcement of our laws. I side with the law as that is how a civilization survives. No nation survives with your attitude or beliefs. The cost of deportation would be as low as a family deported for $100 dollars by just eliminating representation expense paid for by our tax money. Illegal aliens should only receive legal representation at what they can pay for just like me a citizen.

    • Rizzo  •  Nov 28, 2015 at 10:32 pm

      We are not a nation of immigrants, especially not illegal immigrants. America is a nation of CITIZENS. Citizens that need to determine what is in OUR BEST INTERESTS, not the best interests of invaders from foreign lands… Who have no understanding or respect for the American culture and our way of life.

  7. Dana Fiola  •  Nov 25, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    Mass deportation is easy and very realistic and it has historical precedents, such as in the 1950s, the Eisenhower Administration deported almost 11.5 million in less than 6 months. New actions to make things work in present day USA is first and foremost the President needs to make an Executive Order refusing to pay attorney fee’s for illegal aliens. Second an order to fire or remove any judge that acts to interfere with the deportation project. Third an end to the payments for people declared to be at risk refugees like the Armenians. No more endless money as I am sick of Armenians driving expensive European cars at taxpayer expense. Regardless the effort also means that all money paid as Section 8, cash Welfare, and Medical ceases to aliens of all nations living in the USA. There is existing Federal Law that prohibits aliens legal or illegal from receiving money from the government. So in general we need to enforce existing law. Then the act of physically removing aliens is quite easy. We also need to jail Governor who act against America, such as Jerry Brown as an example. It is how it should be for those interested in creating sanctuary Cities, Counties or States within the border of the USA. No free anything just like it is for Americans. No more languages used in official America except English. Anyone attempting to vote who is other than a full citizen does real jail time and again there is existing law. We simply need to act in the interest of Americans first and as long as there are Americans begging for money in parking lots there is no room for anyone else.
    Oh and one other thing no more Michael Medved as you lie and lie continuously in pursuit of your personal agenda on the public air ways. How old are you? I’m 64 and was 16 in 1968 if you were working for the Kennedy’s in 1968 you’re really old like almost 75 ? Older?

  8. Nani  •  Nov 25, 2015 at 5:56 pm

    Good Lord Dana, you really don’t know the law yet you claim to want to abide by it. You also hate Executive Order when the president wants to use it to keep illegals here but love the idea of using it to deprive illegals of legal representation.

    You want to jail any governor that disagrees with your interpretation of the law but are unable to see that the pendulum could swing the other way for governors that agrees with you. And people could be screaming for them to be jailed.

    Good Lord Dana, this IS a nation of laws and procedures. Despite what Trump and conservatives talk show people who really ought to know better, you CANNOT just round up people that you dislike. You cannot deprive them of legal representation. And no, you cannot deny them social programs.

    Why? Because the rest of this nation will NEVER permit it. Never. They are NOT hard right and they do NOT agree with your belief that amnesty is paying fines because they never felt that way when they broke traffic laws and had to pay fines. You can argue until you are blue in the face. You cannot do a thing to change the laws until you win elections and you cannot win elections if you are so set upon getting rid of Mexicans, you don’t care how you do it.

  9. Jay Pole  •  Nov 25, 2015 at 6:22 pm

    While running errands today I had am radio on, and heard Medved say that he “could see no benefit to the US from allowing Syrians into America.”

    I guess he is saying that we would be better off if we had never admitted refugees, immigrants, or foreigners here. Xenophobia at it’s most delusional.

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