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On Jerusalem: Denying Reality, Ignoring History

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President Trump described his acceptance of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital as “nothing more than a recognition of reality.” This is exactly right: since the rebirth of the Jewish state 70 years ago, Jerusalem has been the seat of Israeli government and the nation’s leading cultural institutions.

Pretending that this status is temporary is like pretending that Israel itself is temporary – the key delusion that’s kept the Palestinians in a perpetual state of self-destructive violence. Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas declares that “Jerusalem will be Palestine’s capital forever,” but when’s the last time Palestinians controlled the holy city? Jordan held East Jerusalem before 1967, and before 1948, Britain ran the whole city. Ottoman Turks held Jerusalem for 300 years from 1516 to 1918. In fact, Palestinians never controlled the holy city.

The only times in 3,000 years of history that Jerusalem has been capital of a country, that nation has been a Jewish state. Denying current realities is dangerous, but ignoring history can be even worse.

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  1. Nani Tavares  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 5:05 pm

    There's been talk that this is just symbolic; that it will be AFTER Trump has left office if at all before America actually moves their embassy. But these people miss the point. This was Trump's message not just to the Muslims but to North Korea and those who wish to make allies or enemies of the USA.

    THIS is a president that keeps his promises. And he WILL bring the might of the USA's military or market on those who wish to make war or make deals with us.

    The first thing I thought of when I heard that Trump was keeping another of his campaign promises was he didn't get the memo. No one actually keeps campaign promises…lol.

    • Rizzo  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 6:54 pm

      Has anyone else noticed how shockingly similar the Muslim. "Day of Rage" is to the leftists in America and their DESTRUCTIVE, Third-World, protests?

    • Ty  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 6:59 pm

      "keeps his promises"

      get back to me when he completes the wall with Mexico paying for it, or reverses the declines in coal jobs in Kentucky.

      • Nani Tavares  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 7:46 pm

        You mean like how you got back to me when the stock market dropped at the mere thought of losing Trump? Oh Trump will try to build that wall and find ways for Mexico to finance it but again you miss the point. Obama and company didn’t even TRY to keep his word; I mean what politician does? That is why people take our leaders’ words with a grain of salt and a shrug. They can’t do that with Trump. He may very well nuke North Korea to dust if they drop a bomb on L.A. In fact, all liberals can do is hope that he doesn’t build that wall, bring back jobs, make America great again…after all if he succeeds, they’d be no use for them. Already, much of the guilt buttons are no longer working.

  2. Truth hurts  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 6:29 pm

    I agree %. Democrats will shoot themselves in the foot if they don’t stop siding with the Muslims. Nazerith should belong to christians as well as Bethlehem, but it should be controlled by the Israeli government. Jerusalem Was being built by jewish people hundreds of years BC. The Muslims are Johnny come latelys

  3. Ty  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 7:13 pm

    I think this will be a push for a one state solution. The two state solution idea is dead, and conservative Israelis and jews killed it.

    Too many Palestinians already rejected it to have any meaning, and after repeated bombings and rocket attacks and murders and past offers rejected, it makes perfect sense that Israelis would sour on any hope or belief that progress could be made. And therein lies the rub. With that attitude ascendant, conservative Israeli government kept giving the green light to ever increasing settlement expansions into contested territories. A move everyone KNOWS would antagonize the Palestinians living outside Israel proper. This has two main effects, one is that it makes it MUCH harder for some future government to order thousands or potentially hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers to abandon their homes in the future, so it is a sort of digging in of a one state solution with a kind of Jewish Manifest Destiny going on. And two, it removes the idea that the Israelis are acting in good faith to try to ever have a two state solution.

    Let me be clear, and Rizzo, you will need to read this part at LEAST a few hundred times before even a FRACTION seeps into that thick skull of yours. Do I believe that the Palestinians were really interested in a two state solution writ large, and the main thing holding them back was settlement expansion? NO! I don't believe that for a second. I think Far too many of them want to wipe the jews off the map in the region and have arab/muslim supremacy in the region. But by NOT allowing expansions in to territory that is clearly contested, it was a sign that at least ISRAEL was acting in good faith towards some potential two state solution even if the Palestinians were not (and perhaps never would).

    The expansions were basically the Israelis saying, eff it, this is going nowhere so we may as well expand and finish this conquest up. They attacked us for existing, some of them were displaces, and vice versa, but we won, they lost, now suck lemon and eat DIRT.

    That is basically the sentiment I get from conservative Israelis in the POLICIES they are supporting by championing settlement expansion. I can't even say I blame them fully, I get not wanting to deal with those neighbors bent on murder and death. But they also want to keep pretending they are still in favor of some two state solution when they know that ship has already sailed, with the final nail hammered in by Israeli settlement policy.

    Again (for Rizzos sake), NOT because the Palestinians would have pushed for peace without settlement expansion, because NOT expanding was a clear sign that the Israelis were acting in good faith about hashing out some workable two state solution. With the clear and expanding settlements, they have signaled to the world they are done with that, but they still want to lie about it.

    • Rizzo  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 9:18 pm

      Oh Ty… You are so smart and nuanced.

      Please regale us with more stories about your misunderstandings of the history of Israel and the fundamental fight between good and evil, right and wrong, and civilization vs. savages.
      And please do so in "good faith".

    • Ty needs counseling.  •  Dec 9, 2017 at 6:50 pm

      As usual, Ty has keyboard diarrhea. You sure do think highly of your opinions.

      • Ty  •  Dec 12, 2017 at 12:44 am

        Nothing I said was off. The Israeli right, that controls Israel is done with a two state solution. They are a actively working to undermine that possibility by continuing to expand settlements into contested territories making it all but impossible to engage in land swaps as the butchers bull of settlement removal climbs ever higher with each passing month/year.

        The attitude of the Israeli right is basically, we won, you lost, should not have attacked us over the decades in the first place. We kind of wanted all the land from the start for religious reasons but would have made deals to placate the liberals if you were smart enough to take the deals, but now that we are in power and almost no one in the nation trusts you, we get to tie this conquest up with a bow and push for a one state solution.

        If The Israeli right would just come out and say that explicitly, I'd have a little more respect for them, but they want to play the Weasel game like Netanyahu and pretend they are still interested in two states. We already knew large chunks of the Palestinians were not, all the Israelis had to do to keep some semblance of acting in good faith was not expand settlements. They chose the path of conquest and manifest destiny. Own it, and the consequences of that choice.

    • Truth hurts  •  Dec 13, 2017 at 12:10 am

      Arafat destroyed any chance of a two state solution. Palestinians don’t want peace. They want eternal jihad. They are a hopeless lot.

  4. Mark Sutton  •  Dec 8, 2017 at 6:54 pm

    Given the obvious backing of them by Trump and the might of the U.S. (by Trump officially moving our Embassy to Jerusalem), i think Israel should go with the momentum of the moment and completely annex the West Bank and make it part of their nation…the whole kit and caboodle They were invaded and Israel won. The price you pay is losing land, sometimes. In this case, since the West Bank is so strategic, and Israel really (smartly) never intends to give it back, just keep it and let the chips fall as they may. They get attacked and are hated for just existing…so one more reason to hate them isn't going to change anything now.

  5. Jim Bird  •  Dec 11, 2017 at 11:43 am

    Is it possible to restrict 7th graders #@Ty from this website? Sanity would once again be restored!

    • Rizzo  •  Dec 11, 2017 at 1:25 pm

      I don't know… Maybe he will lead the effort to condemn The Seattle FAILURE, known as mandatory maximum/minimum wage.

      He's been REAL quiet about that predictable FAILURE!

      • Ty  •  Dec 12, 2017 at 1:00 pm

        I was not quiet on that, when it came up back when the story hit I was quite clear. If the data continues to show that a higher minimum wage in Seattle is ineffective and making the poor worse off, we should drop it.

        My north star is not any particular policy, I have favorites and policies I think are more likely to get to some better result, but the "better result" is my north star. That is what I'm after, not the specific path.

        This was one of my MANY critiques of so many of you conservatives. The specific path is ALL IMPORTANT for some of you. The path CANNOT go along the path of more government involvement, NO MATTER WHAT the results are, good/bad doesn't matter. In our stilted minds, government touching something poisons it and assaults our ideology, and our ideology, not the better result, is what is to be strive for.

        That is why I call this pit of conservative thinking the thinking of a slave. Your mind is not truly free to latch onto whatever it thinks might be a better path, because there are no go zones where that ideology chains you to a certain railing. I have much less of that as a liberal, and conservatives have a lot more people with policy training wheels that ought to have been taken off decades ago. It's the world view of an infant, a child.

        No mommy, no daddy, I don't WANT the training wheels off, what if I fall! That liberal over there took the wheels off and he fell on his face! It's too scary, that minimum wage hike made things worse, See, SEE!

        Mommy/Daddy/Ideology – Yes child, now do as I say and SUBMIT to my rails and all will be well.

        Liberal – After falling on his face, gets back up on his training wheels gone bike and starts again, trying something new and practicing, he goes a little further this time before falling but learns to balance and ride without falling in short order. More importantly, his capacity to maneuver is increased and is able to try more radical maneuvers to navigate the world. What a wonderful little engine of progress.

        Taking this back to Israel, Michael talked to his brother recently and they touched upon his favorite new project some of the students at the "MIT of Israel" were engaged in. He mentioned something about using AI to analyze peoples scans to detect cancer early, but it made me wonder. What is the makeup of students at those universities that are in the sciences and working on projects like that that Michael's brother is so proud to show off to the world?

        What kind of Jews?


        I'm sure there would be people from all backgrounds represented somewhere, but I suspect that the more secular liberal jewish population had a higher representation, which would naturally translate into a more liberal segment of the population. This is pure speculation on my part, but not crazy speculation. Why the tangent to bring this back to Israel? That liberal attitude that so many of you dump on and decry, is the spark of life and thought that powers progress around the world. NOT being so constrained and stuck in a box and on rails. It is a wonderful way to think, and I will continue to defend its existence and desire for more people to be guided by that attitude than the attitude of conservatism and more chains.

        Some people would be better off with more constraints and chains, so let them have them, but that is not an ideal to strive for for the rest.

      • Rizzo  •  Dec 12, 2017 at 5:10 pm

        My mind is absolutely FREE. But, it's also educated.
        You offer ZERO new or unique thoughts on anything.
        It's ALWAYS bash America, let's try some form of totalitarian, leftist, socialism… All of which, has been tried and failed.

        Your mind is free, free from original thoughts and ideas… and free from historical context and education.

        The only TRUE, new idea in the past 250 years is what is known as The American Experiment. An experiment, where are so-called leaders answer to us. Where individual freedom and self-determination are paramount. Where private property rights are celebrated and limited-government is enshrined in our Constitution.

        You come up with a better idea… let me know. Otherwise, shut the hell up.

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