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Some Republican politicians now say they want to change the Constitution, or challenge the Supreme Court, to begin denying citizenship to children born on American soil to parents who are undocumented immigrants. But they can’t answer the question of how to classify such American-born kids if you don’t count them as citizens. If they’re not citizens, would they count as illegal aliens like their parents? If so, they couldn’t ever gain legal status—since the same hard-liners who want to change birthright citizenship also ardently oppose any path to earned legal residency.

This means hundreds of thousands (perhaps millions) of kids growing up in the U.S. would be blocked from ever becoming Americans. Why is it sensible, or patriotic, to stop native-born kids who have lived here all their lives from Americanizing? These children would be punished forever for something their parents did before they were born—a notion that’s cruel in personal terms, and idiotic as policy.

 

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  1. Nani  •  Aug 25, 2015 at 5:39 pm

    It isn’t Republicans. It’s Libertarians, pretending to be the base of a party they hate and do not respect. Listen carefully to what they say. They KNOW that a Supreme Court that “found” same sex marriage a right is NOT going to take away citizenship from children born in America. They KNOW that Congress isn’t going to do it nor will the majority of States. So there has to be a reason WHY they continue to do this.

    Election after election has shown the illegal immigration has been a loser. We are a nation of immigrants and every voter who remembers grandparents who spoke of the old country find the entire idea of rounding up millions of immigrants, legal or not, uncomfortable. The removal of citizenship smacks of government over reach and brings to mind a time where papers meant life or death.

    So WHY continue to push for something that may well make Republicans unelectable for generations?

    Simple, they believe that Republicans will run to their party if the GOP no longer exist. After all, it is the reason why their leaders run under the banner of the Republican and why they pretend to be the base of the Republican party. They do not get, their 3% isn’t enough to win elections, yes, but neither is theirs plus Republicans. Both sides, Left and Right need Independents and Independents DO NOT vote hard Left or hard Right.

    So their grand plan to destroy the GOP will result in years of Democrats with all their fail policies.

    • Brian Harmon, Retired Econ Professor  •  Sep 22, 2015 at 3:16 am

      Nani is close to the truth. But most libertarians tend to be in favor of illegal immigration, or open borders, because enforcing national borders is a “statist” policy by nature.
      Most of the nut cases that want to trash the GOP for not trying to outlaw birthright citizenship can be described as “Patriots” maybe.
      Screwballs, certainly. But calling them libertarians would be quite a stretch. Or am I missing something.

  2. Raphael  •  Aug 25, 2015 at 6:21 pm

    Exactly as Nani has said above! Trust me, if this happens, can you imagine the image of the US to other countries around the world? I see a country isolated. Also, why become enemy with Mexico. I mean, perhaps is not a big issue, but, isn’t better to be friends? One never knows! Do you remember the “Germany for Germans”? Look what happened. Again, Mr. Medved is totally right here.

    • Lee  •  Aug 26, 2015 at 5:46 pm

      Well I disagree with Nani and Raphael above. There is a vast difference between legal and illegal immigration. We are overrun with people that think that if they can get here and drop a little bundle they are home free. Ok, so we have these anchor babies to deal with for their adolescent lives, e.g. language barriers, nutrition, welfare, etc. Basically, it will be up to the tax payer to foot the bill. I live in Texas and the Hispanic community is taking over many of the school districts….please do not give me any lip about legal Hispanics. These school districts are having to hire multi-language teachers and the spanish speaking (as an only language) are dragging other students for progess.

      So bitching about something without a solution is nonsense. So here is a solution. When the illegal alien enters a health facility and has the baby then bundle the mother and baby up and send them back to their country of origin. If a father is around then send him along as well. When the child is 18 or 21 he/she can come back to this country. Or the parents can apply for legal entry and come in the front door this time. If you dont like this idea then get your checkbook out and adopt a couple of these illegal alien families and their anchor baby and you foot the bill for all their necessities.

      • Nani  •  Aug 26, 2015 at 8:02 pm

        Lee, do you believe that the court who found same sex marriage right in our constitution is going to remove citizenship from children? Do you believe that this nation of immigrants who happen to have ancestors lucky enough to come here before there was such a thing as “illegal” would allow whole families to be rounded up and deported? Do you believe that Congress who has tons of minority constituents will pass a law depriving children of citizenship? Do you believe 2/3s of the nation would do so?

        Do you believe that the GOP can win the White House without Hispanics and minorities?

        If the answer to all of this is no, then by insisting on this issue, you ARE giving the White House to the Dems and America 4 more years, maybe more of Obamanism.

        You need to ask yourself if getting rid of illegals is more important than America under a liberal with all their failed policies.

  3. Lee  •  Aug 27, 2015 at 3:20 pm

    Nani, where would you draw the line? Is compromise the only solution. We got Obamacare with no compromise (shoved on us). Do you see a lot of difference between Conservatives and Liberals in DC today? The point I’m trying to make is that Trump is creating the debate about how much compromise is tolerable. Currently when immigration reform is discussed it is really about normalizing the 11+ million illegal aliens. It is not how we can improve the immigration process of the United States. It has gotten to the point that we do not even classify illegal immigrants as anything but immigrants. So once again where do we draw the line? Yes, I’m frustrated with the entire situation. BTW, I’m very much in favor of legal immigration.

    • Nani  •  Aug 27, 2015 at 9:12 pm

      Lee, oh I get it: there are only so many resources to go around. But I also get that the group that makes or breaks an election are Independents and as they will never vote for Sanders, neither will they vote for Trump. And exactly how many elections does the illegal immigration issue have to lose, before we get that we cannot change anything unless we win.

      If you want to end the tranny of King Obama, don’t try to replace him with a King Trump. If you want something to be done about illegals, Isis, the global mess, then don’t offer the American people a loud mouth, uncontrolled, bully who will be fighting with the media long after the rest of us has moved on.

      • Brian Harmon, Retired Econ Professor  •  Sep 22, 2015 at 3:43 am

        Right on, Nani.

  4. Hannah Blazewick  •  Aug 27, 2015 at 6:01 pm

    Your parents are on holiday in Great Britain and your wife have a baby. British do not consider the child to citizen of Great Britain. Canada did away with giving citizenship just because you were born in Canada if not one of your parents were were not citizens child is not a citizen.
    Give any illegal alien citizenship I think is morally wrong. I’m willing to give them work permit. But they should be no path for citizenship . And we have to change the Constitution state-by-state. Let’s start working on it, PS what you knew call the baby? Another illegal alien

    • Nani  •  Aug 27, 2015 at 8:58 pm

      Hannah, wanting to do what other nations do is a Liberal desire. Just because the Brits and the Canadians do it, doesn’t mean we should. Right now, they are having their own immigration problems as hundreds of thousands flee Isis. The difference between them and us is that we are a nation of Immigrants and most voters understand that THEIR citizenship is because their ancestors had the luck to come to America and have kids BEFORE there was such a thing as “illegal”

      • Brian Harmon, Retired Econ Professor  •  Sep 22, 2015 at 3:28 am

        Nani, we need to stick to the truth, even if others in the discussion do not.
        It is simply not true that wanting to do what other nations do is (necessarily) a Liberal desire.
        For example, if we looked at Chile for possible ways to deal with our Social Security crisis, would that represent a liberal desire?
        On the issue of birthright citizenship, you are obviously correct, as is Michael Medved. We are not going to be able to change the Constitution or the Supreme Court in the foreseeable future. We clearly need to find better ways to discourage illegal immigration.

  5. Brian Harmon, Retired Econ Professor  •  Sep 22, 2015 at 3:42 am

    And if Nani is implying that those millions who lined up on Ellis Island are analogous to illegal aliens sneaking across the border or overstaying their visas, the comparison is ridiculous. Since when is waiting in line, registering, and going through physical examinations the same skipping the whole legal process
    If Nani is referring to those who came before legal immigration became a national policy, she is comparing two very different situations.
    When we still had a million square miles of habitable frontier and no welfare system to speak of or free health care, discouraging immigration would have been pretty silly. That does not seem applicable to today’s situation, to say the least.

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