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Protecting “Dreamers”; Avoiding Shutdown

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Under Obama, Democrats denounced the GOP for using desperate measures to block the president’s agenda—including a 16-day government shutdown in 2013. Now Democrats threaten the same tactics they once decried, and Republicans must pre-empt their key issue: protecting the so-called “Dreamers.”

More than 80% of Americans oppose deportation of undocumented residents brought here as children, who have stayed out of trouble with the law, made measurable progress in work or education, and registered for work permits under President Obama’s legally dubious DACA program.

These young people have lived most of their lives in our country, and shouldn’t be blamed for decisions made by their parents, or by the prior president. As President Trump urges, Republicans in Congress should protect the Dreamers the right way: through legislation, not a controversial executive order.

In so doing, they can avoid the twin disasters of government shutdown and mass deportations of those who followed the previous rules by signing up for DACA.

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  1. Nani Tavares  •  Nov 29, 2017 at 1:00 am

    Most of these offsprings of illegals are now adults. They should be aware that their parents BROKE THE LAWS of this nation. Why haven’t they made efforts to correct their status? No one, legal or not gets to keep stolen goods and their parents STOLE education, social services they were not entitled to. Listen carefully, they are claiming constitutional rights from a nation whose constitution does not cover them for they are not Americans. Does our constitution cover everyone on earth just for breathing? We may be the most humane nation but we do not own the world and thus have no responsibility for their people.

    • Ty  •  Nov 30, 2017 at 2:32 pm

      We cover them because most of us do not want to turn into the kinds of moral monsters that the Trump voting nativist block consists of. And a surprising number of evangelicals who have the most unchristlike attitudes towards the "other," even the ones that have been here for decades and not gotten into trouble.

      Michael: "More than 80% of Americans oppose deportation of undocumented residents brought here as children, who have stayed out of trouble with the law,"

      The Trumpists don't care Michael. You have heard them call in to your show. Most liberals are ok with deporting illegals at the border, and I'll make an argument similar to the abortion debate and trimesters. If the illegal is caught at the border, ok deport them, little harm. But if the 2 year old child of an illegal, that is not a citizen and has been raised in the US for decades comes across problems with staying vs leaving, most liberals, and perhaps a plurality of conservatives, do not want them uprooted from the ground and kicked out of the country. It's one thing to remove someone at the point of contact and point of the initial crime, the damage done and consequence is intrinsically less severe. The roots taken up are not as deep into the US. But the dreamer population? They have lived here, worked here, gone to school here, often contributed to the nation, they did not even choose the initial crime, to uproot THEM from the nation is a FAR greater punishment and act of damage to both those people and the people around them. It strikes me as similar to the trimester argument for abortion, most conservatives don't want any abortion period, but on the liberal side, people like me are more tolerable of allowing some bans on third trimester abortion, since many of the fetuses can survive under their own power after that stage with some help. In a sense, it almost becomes gratuitous to say those must be allowed to be terminated too when there is another viable option that preserves life for the sensibilities of social conservatives who have very different views about the worth of life across the chain of development than myself.

      It's not that far off from the illegal population of dreamers. If I was a betting man, looking at the life and message of christ, I would imagine that the population of people most likely to want to offer some grace towards a population like dreamers, would be the evangelicals themselves. But their hearts have been hardened like pharaoh. Their conservatism often supercedes their religious teachings, bringing with it greater attitudes of us and them, and tribal concerns.

      The in groups, like American citizens (take that back, conservative american citizens, the liberals are trash to these people, and if they are poor and sick, not their problem to help pay for their care), the military servicemen are in the in group, they are even tolerant of paying for their medical care through the government. And even if the VA was abolished, I'm pretty sure most conservatives would be fine with offering a government paid "voucher" to use for private insurance. Because servicemen are part of the "honored" in group. But illegals? Completely outside that tribe, and their young children that have lived here for decades and built a life? Means little more to them to RIP them from the ground and their friends and families and colleagues at work than it would to rip up a terrorist or actual criminal doing harm.

      But then, that may be part of the psychosis of the nativist conservative mind, they see people like the dreamers as doing harm to them, as some alien invaders, impure, vermin to be expunged, not people. Liberals like myself, who is PERFECTLY willing to deport people at the border, have an attenuation of my desire or willingness to deport based on length of time being here and how much of a life was built and all the rest. But for the nativist wing of the conservative movement? The attenuation is VERY weak.

      It comes through. This is not all conservatives, Michael is not like that at all, part of the reason some of you are so irritated by him. Michael is not a nativist conservative, he does not have the same sort of emotional animus towards outgroups like many of his political peers, but many of his callers do, and listeners do. And when I hear from their own mouths what bothers them, their true selves come through. This is me shining a spotlight at what I think is undergirding the psychological differences between myself and them.

      Oh, and to the obvious counter of rule of law. You'll have to spare me that. The tribal concerns are MUCH more powerful among the conservative political cause among the trumpists wing and the nativist wing. And even segments of the evangelical wing. My evidence?

      Roy – 14 is not so bad – Moore (looks like he's on track to win the seat in Alabama right now too, makes sense, after all, can't have a LIBRUL in their! – i.e. a manifestation of the demon lord mephistopheles).

      Who has committed a bigger and more egregious violation of the "rule of law?"

      a 2 year old infant who was brought over illegally by their parents and been living and thriving in the US for decades?

      or

      A JUDGE, who went to law school to learn about the law, and later became a judge to uphold the law, and when a decision came down against his interpretation about positioning the ten commandments on the courthouse, DEFIED the law openly!

      Seems to be the bigger case of deliberate flouting of the rule of Law was Moore.

      (and to nani, those dreamers did comply with the law when Obama allowed them to sign up for DACA as a stopgap for congress to write an actual law – the fact that self deportation was not their preferred solution ought to be understandable – even though I know that is the only solution some of you are willing to accept)

      Now who do you think the nativist wing of the conservative movement was more angry at? Roy Moore after he stood up for the ten commandments and defied a court order, or the dreamer? Answer, the dreamer, because merely looking at adherence to the rule of law is insufficient to map out why conservatives are more or less focused on one case vs another.

      Some of you are likely mad at me, the liberal outsider for pointing out my observations of you and your motivations. Too bad. Toughen up buttercups. Just because you SAY you are against something for reason X, does not mean that is all that is animating you. And the attitudes around the dreamers is one of the clearest examples out there. Rule of law can be excused if you are part of the tribe, one of us, upholding the values WE want upheld, but not one of us?

      gtfo, don't care how long you've been here, get out, out, OUT! Used our schools? Hospitals? ILLEGAL? VERMIN? TRASH? OUTSIDER???

      I FEEL DEFILED !!!!!! Some of MY TAX DOLLARS went to that FILTH !!!!!!!!!!!??????????

      When you say things, that clearly separate out in group and out group, I read into this clearly different emotional reactions to different people. Am I wrong? I definitely chose some more incendiary terms, terms most of you would NEVER say explicitly, but I wonder, how off am I? Because I'm pretty sure a good chunk of the nativist base thinks exactly as I've described, and there is a lot more going on than "sterile" concerns over the rule of law, even if that is what people SAY is all they are animated by.

      Liberal Atheist Ty (Lesson Time) : People lie, not just to others, but also to themselves.

      • Pedro  •  Dec 2, 2017 at 4:46 pm

        Ty, you soulless liberal.
        Tell why you want to keep prayer out of school and government, but then bring it up as a tool for ridicule when you are trying to make your weak point?
        Of course we Christians have empathy for the DACA children and adults, i.e., I know that sick feeling that something is about to go wrong and I feel helpless to change course.
        However, my faith and the people I help have nothing to do with those people who entered our country illegally. I think Americans have enough on our plates to take care of such as the military, infrastructure, schools, etc.. Most of America chooses to kick the illegal welfare supported peasants out and reserve the immigration slots for professionals who will add value to the country.
        I hope this view helps you out, but I doubt it will. Most of the people I have met with your mindset are borderline retarded or there's something in it for you to side with the filthy America destroying liberal agenda.

      • Ty needs counseling  •  Dec 4, 2017 at 7:55 pm

        More unhinged hatred from Ty. Oh, and it is hilarious when an anti-religious bigot tries to tell Christians what Jesus would do. I guess "separation of church and state " and "freedom from religion" only applies when the religious argument opposes the liberal position. Tyrone, Jesus also said love your enemy. You do nothing but hate those who oppose your anti-American views.

      • Ty  •  Dec 5, 2017 at 12:34 am

        I think it's even more hilarious that so many evangelical christian conservatives seem to want to model Muhammad more than their actual savior when it comes to behavior and attitude towards the outsiders, the impure, the unclean, the defilers of their sacred spaces.

        Yank the illegals from their lives, multiple decades here without problems? Means NOTHING to them, the axe of deportation dulls for no one, not among the nativists. I'm sure Jesus would have engaged in the same kinds of behavior. I love that people want to dance around this and pretend my critique of that attitude of conservative evangelicals and their fortress america attitude and callousness is not a sort of slashing at the foundations of the grace of the new testament. Not that I follow any of it. But they pretend to.

        The animus towards the outsider/other, the embrace of Roy Moore, these things are a giant scab upon the entire population of evangelicals who make excuses, and cast a pall on those who do not share the same views by association. Not fair to the latter group, but that is how stereotypes often form, based on observation and generalization.

      • Rizzo  •  Dec 5, 2017 at 6:15 pm

        So we shouldn't deport the children of illegal aliens, right?
        Should we deport their parents, who knowingly broke our laws?
        When does childhood end? Should we deport someone who came here as a 20 year-old?
        Should we deport illegals with kids that have been here for 2 years? 5 years? What's the cutoff Ty?

        The answer is, there would be no cutoff. In your lawless world, we would deport NOBODY. We would enforce NO IMMIGRATION LAWS. It would be a free-for-all! There would be NO BORDERS.
        We would cease to be a sovereign nation of assimilated, English-speaking citizens.
        But hey, in the head of small-minded leftists, this is a small,price to pay to guarantee elections of leftist leaders in America.

      • Rizzo  •  Dec 6, 2017 at 1:07 pm

        "the embrace of Roy Moore"?
        What about the leftists, and who they embrace:

        Al Franken – Proven and admitted sex-offender
        Bill Clinton – Liar, proven and admitted sex-offender.
        John F. Kennedy – Proven philanderer
        Ted Kennedy – Murderer, philanderer and sex-offender

        And these are the CELEBRATED PILLARS OF THE LEFT.

        OOPS…. I forgot the honorable John Conyers

    • Rizzo  •  Dec 1, 2017 at 3:56 pm

      Look Ty, you soulless, and brainless leftist. It doesn't matter if you are clean or dirty, brown, black or white, vermin or Angel. This is not a complicated or complex matter that you would prefer it to be. This is quite simple… there is but one line of demarcation; are you a legal US citizen or not?
      If yes, then GREAT! If not, you are NOT going to tell us what to do and how our laws and Constitution applies to you. We, the legal US Citizens, we determine how are Constitutional Republic functions.
      Break is over… You need to get back to work, flipping burgers.

  2. Nani Tavares  •  Nov 30, 2017 at 6:09 pm

    Ty, the biggest problem you have is two fold: they are NOT children anymore and they are NOT our responsibility.

    Every "contribution" you cite only serves to remind us what these people stole. Yep, that's right, STOLE because they were not entitled to free education, health care, food, shelter. Good Lord, we have our own spoilt kids DEMANDING things just for breathing. If they showed an inch of gratitude, perhaps hard working Americans may be a little more sympathetic but protesting for rights that do not belong to them is like a homeless person demanding money, a home, the latest electronics because the family down the road has them.

    I hate to break this to you but the violins no longer work; we've heard the tune before. And mentioning the 2 year old and in the same paragraph, tell us how our generosity must be continued pass adulthood is a con we ain't buying.

    As for abortion. Sigh. Once again you fail to get the bottom line. We aren't against abortion because we have no compassion for the mother. We are against the MURDER of a human being. That human being does not have to be perfect or self sustaining. We would be against the murder of the blind, the mentally handicapped, the quadriplegic. There was a couple who was suing the hospital for saving their child, even though the child was completely depended on them. The child was 9 years old by then and the parents were tired. I doubt there are many pro abortionist that would be in favor of killing the child.

    But maybe I'm wrong.

  3. Tim Romero  •  Dec 1, 2017 at 6:53 pm

    I really believe most Americans fall between the two points of view expressed above. Most of us are not against dreamers who meet stringent requires staying in our country with green cards but do want to see them given automatic citizenship or even more problematic allowing their entire extend family down to aunts and uncles , cousins and such to obtain legal status.

    • Tim Romero  •  Dec 1, 2017 at 6:55 pm

      Oppps “do not “

    • Ty  •  Dec 2, 2017 at 2:45 am

      Most are against deportation and do want to allow them to stay. This is a bit dated but still taken within the last year.

      https://morningconsult.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/dreamers-2.png

      Even among republicans, there is strong support for letting them stay. But the more hardcore base.. and the people that voted for Trump in the primary… let's just say I think we know where most of that 22% of republicans was located and who they supported.

      It would be interesting to see the numbers for different talk radio audiences. I suspect the deport numbers to be higher for most shows, with a bit less for Medveds show since he's not one of the mouth foaming conservative hosts.

      • Rizzo  •  Dec 2, 2017 at 11:52 am

        So law be damned? We will just determine the direction of our country based on Facebook polls and what's trending on Twitter.
        What a complete ass-clown you are.

      • Ty  •  Dec 2, 2017 at 1:07 pm

        Talking about enforcement here Rizzo.

        Options:

        Among the Sadists:
        -Deport them all

        Among the non Sadists:
        -Deport the actual criminals (not including the initial crossing or some minor infraction like a parking ticket)
        -Offer a pathway to legal status for the people that have built lives here

      • Pedro  •  Dec 2, 2017 at 4:54 pm

        TY. No, it's not the republicans, it's the RINO globalists that want to keep the borders open. The gang of eight and their minions. The other republicans that have fell in to support the Trump movement are against open borders.
        America is changing. Many democrats voted for President Trump. Everywhere I go, Walmart, Lowes, Target, I run into peasants who can't speak English. I ask a simple question and they point at an associate. WTH! They're probably working for cash, not paying taxes, but their kids are getting a world class education for free. I'm paying for that BS. Enough is enough you moron.

      • Ty  •  Dec 3, 2017 at 2:11 am

        If the numbers in that chart I linked are correct, most "republicans" are as you called them, rino globalists. So what does that make you? I think I know, a member of the nativist faction. Home to what I consider some of the ugliest political examples of humanity.

        Pay close attention to the rhetoric and watch the poison flow out of the man. This is about much more than mere "law breaking."

        walmart/lowes/target, swarming with as he calls them "peasants"

        feel free to replace the word with "vermin" "filth" "criminals" "animals" etc etc

        And then comes the outsized concern over his tax dollars going to help pay for some of their childrens education. That REALLY bothers him. It bothers most people less, but then, we are not the kind of ultra tribal balls of Puss like this Pedro guy. And your tax dollars going to something you don't agree with! Get in line. You think you are the only one who has to foot the bill for something that he does not support? That's the price of civilization, and as long as non nativists exist in this world, you will never be allowed to turn this nation into some kind of fortress America.

  4. Rizzo  •  Dec 2, 2017 at 1:49 pm

    You "non sadists" won't even convict and deport a murderer in your leftist Mecca of SanFran.
    So spare us all. You are an open-border, free-for-all, welfare provider for the world.
    LEFTISTS would rather our US citizens be killed by undocumented, illegals, than enforce THE RULE OF LAW.
    LEFTISTS would rather our US citizens pay for and go broke, paying welfare for the world, than enforce THE RULE OF LAW.
    LEFTISTS are PATHETIC.

  5. Rizzo  •  Dec 2, 2017 at 2:21 pm

    I mean seriously…. We have a group of leftists in this country that promote, advocate, and apply policy based on the notion of "Sanctuary City" status… And you expect us to believe you even know what RULE OF LAW IS?

    Are you WeTallDid?

    • Nani Tavares  •  Dec 2, 2017 at 3:27 pm

      Rizzo, Ty doesn't get it. The violins no longer work. I for one used to feel sorry for the children (who are now adults) of illegals but their ingratitude has washed away all pity. And frankly, I think the election of Trump has proven that most Americans are tired of the guilt con. We are NOT responsible for their breaking the law and actions have and should have consequences.

      • Ty  •  Dec 3, 2017 at 1:31 am

        Not most Americans, most americans despise trump, but we are held hostage by a system that privileges location over people. And spare me those crocodile tears over the children of illegals, stuff them the same place you stuffed your christianity, jesus and the message of grace replaced by callousness, indifference, and conservative ideology. That is your God now.

      • Nani Tavares  •  Dec 3, 2017 at 1:40 am

        The oddity of atheist is they keep being disappointed that Christians refuse to be manipulated. They expect to wave a few magic words of love and forgiveness and Christians will curl up into a fetal position and allow the fruits of their labor to be stolen.

      • Ty  •  Dec 3, 2017 at 2:23 am

        In a way, I am thankful to the evangelicals. Their open failure to even pretend to try to live up to the example set by jesus shows just how shallow their beliefs are. Makes a great argument for secularism and dropping the dogmas, if it's obvious that the real driver has less to do with the actual teachings of the faith and more about peoples own personal preferences and politics.

        It's certainly a more honest and open way of interacting with the world. When I advocate for some idea or belief, it's all because of my own take. There is no need to bend myself into logical pretzels to square my attitudes with some teacher that I'm clearly against but want to pretend I'm still being faithful towards. That honestly of a mode of operation will surely increase our ranks.

      • Rizzo  •  Dec 3, 2017 at 6:48 am

        No doubt Nani… Theses soulless Baby Killers, on the one hand, they want to destroy any evidence that our society and laws are largely based on The Ten Commandments, but then they try to apply some other misguided and twisted notions of Christianity on us… All the while, they get to advance the further destruction of America.
        They are very similar to terrorists in that way… Terrorists play by NO RULES, but expect the rest of the world to "fight fair".
        The only principle that guides a leftist is, By any means necessary. By any means necessary to destroy America and its founding, and to form a more perfect leftist Utopia.

      • Nani Tavares  •  Dec 3, 2017 at 5:24 pm

        But Ty, it isn't Christians that fail; it is atheist who cling to ideals of good, compassion, just, right, equality, but has nothing upon which to justify those beliefs. What exactly IS right and wrong? How can you define an ideal that is based on nothing?

        And the very belief that we all have to be held to certain standards of right and wrong shows not the Christian failure to comprehend God's laws and His desires, it is the atheist who cherry picks parts of the Bible that suits him. Every time you utter your disappointment, you show how utterly sad and empty your being is.

        You see it, don't you? The end of your con. You have used the Christian standard of generosity and forgiveness to manipulate this nation but has spent years trying to destroy the very foundation of Christianity upon which this nation is built. Thus, you have slowly taken away the fuel that allows you to build that fire of hate.

        Now you are shocked that Christians no longer will be nice people, willing to be stolen from.

      • Rizzo  •  Dec 3, 2017 at 6:06 pm

        That is absolutely correct Nani… They CHERRY PICK the bible, they CHERRY PICK our society. They stand for ABSOLUTLELY NOTHING. But, they try to hold us to standards in which they COMPLETELY REJECT for their own soulles existence.
        They have no guiding principles other than their current whims of the day. One day it's abortion, the next is LGBQTABSGST rights, then another day it's gender identification, then to bounce to crushing the 1st. and 2nd. Ammendment. None of these issues have a single guiding principle. It's just lurching from one issue to another to destroy America.
        It's soulless, it lacks principles, it is PATHETIC!

  6. Rizzo  •  Dec 3, 2017 at 7:15 pm

    Nani…
    I wonder if Ty and his leftists minions were ever exposed to this simple yet profound story?
    I doubt it!

    https://youtu.be/Od6R3a33bro

    • Nani Tavares  •  Dec 4, 2017 at 8:43 am

      But Rizzo, where’s the Red Bird’s “compassion”? Lol. Can’t you just hear Ty’s long lecture?

      • Rizzo  •  Dec 4, 2017 at 9:17 am

        Absolutely… His answer would be to vote for GOVERNMENT THEFT of Red Bird.
        Steal her private property, pillage her labor, and give it to those who are unwilling to work, earn and to contribute to society.
        He would tell Red Bird, just like Obama did…. "You didn't build that", your labor, your property belongs to the "common good". At that point, you cease to be an individual, an individual with individual rights and freedom. You have lost your ability for self-determination. It's absolutely pathetic!

  7. Rizzo  •  Dec 6, 2017 at 6:41 pm

    58 Democrats voted for Impeachment.
    These are 58 Democrats, who are not serious people, and deserve to be thrown out.
    They obviously have no grasp of what Impeachment is for, and when it is legitimately utilized.
    These 58 are dangerous to the general concepts of Democracy and specifically dangerous to our Republic.
    Here is the list of PATHETIC LOSERS!
    1. Alma Davis NC
    2. Karen Bass CA
    3. Don Beyer VA
    4. Earl Blumenauer OR
    5. Brendan Boyle PA
    6. Anthony Brown MD
    7. GK Butterfield NC
    8. Tony Cardenas CA
    9. Joaquin Castro TX
    10. Judy Chu CA
    11. Katherine Clark MA
    12. Yvette Clarke MA
    13. William Lacy Clay MO
    14. Steve Cohen TN
    15. John Conyers MI
    16. Mark Desaulnier CA
    17. Lloyd Doggett TX
    18. Mike Doyle PA
    19. Keith Ellison MN
    20. Adriano Espaillat NY
    21. Dwight Evans PA
    22. Marcia Fudge OH
    23. Ruben Gallego AZ
    24. Al Green TX
    25. Raul Grijalva AZ
    26. Luis Gutierrez IL
    27. Alcee Hastings FL
    28. Jared Huffman CA
    29. Pramila Jayapal WA
    30. Barbara Lee CA
    31. John Lewis GA
    32. Ted Lieu CA
    33. Zoe Lofgren CA
    34. Jerrold Nadler NY
    35. Grace Napolitano CA
    36. Donald Payne Jr. NJ
    37. Chellie Pingree ME
    38. Mark Pocan WI
    39. Jamie Raskin MD
    40. Lucille Roybal-Allard CA
    41. Raul Ruiz CA
    42. Kurt Schrader OR
    43. Jan Schakowsky IL
    44. Jose Serrano NY
    45. Carol Shea-Porter NH
    46. Louise Slaughter NY
    47. Adam Smith WA
    48. Darren Soto FL
    49. Mark Takano CA
    50. Juan Vargas CA
    51. Nydia Velazquez NY
    52. Maxine Waters CA
    53. Bonnie Watson Coleman NJ
    54. John Yarmuth KY
    55. Jerry McNerny CA
    56. Filemon Vela TX
    57. Bennie Thompson MS
    58. Mike Quigley IL

    • Ty  •  Dec 6, 2017 at 8:17 pm

      For the record, I don't think voting for impeachment is warranted now. Trump is incompetent and clearly a total clown and con man to everyone with more than a handful of working brain cells, polarizing in the extreme, a veritable pied piper of right wing populist/nativist morons that follow his every word like good little soldiers. But we let him be elected and so we have to live with him unless and until he starts doing something to put the nation in imminent risk.

      I don't like it, it has not even cross a year of him in office and it feels like we've endured a decade. The idea of 3+ more years of this embarrassment is almost too much to tolerate. But we will tolerate it. Getting mad is understandable, but a useless emotion. I have already failed to hold to that, and will continue to fail plenty of times in the future, but some of that fury will be directed towards more productive directions. Getting Even. Getting even by retaking political power and DRAGGING you right wingers into modernity. Believe me, if I thought it was feasible to cut you loose, I'd be glad to, but since we'll always have States like Alabama tethered to us like an anchor trying to pull us into the ditch, we better pull the other way even harder so we don't all end up like the calcified mummies there that are cheering Roy 14 is not too young Moore.

      • Rizzo  •  Dec 6, 2017 at 8:28 pm

        Ty

        Whatever you say? You are going to drag Republicans into modernity?
        How are you going to do that while worshipping Arkansas Bill "raping Juanita Broderick" Clinton?

        You leftists are so darn conflicted!

      • John D. Fiat  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 4:08 am

        Well, we just endured a racist, incompetent moron for the last 8 years, so quit your whining! I mean, Obama is so stupid that he actually thanked himself during a teleprompter malfunction, by reading the lines intended for Northern Ireland's PM, Brian Cowan. Look it up! Oh, and of course, he visited 57 states (with 2 left to go and 1 too far off the map) on the campaign trail. 60 States? (and that one is youtube in case you have any doubts) I could go on and on and on, but there simply isn't enough space here!

      • Ty  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 6:54 pm

        Oh look, another member of the carrion brigade. Fear not men, pretty soon you will get a perfect avatar of what you are and what you represent winning the Alabama Senate Seat. Go BAMA ! Crimson slide into the abyss. This just reinforces the notion that the last good reference coming out of Alabama was this scene from Crimson Tide:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LrBpEDrKDY

      • Rizzo  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 9:01 pm

        Leave it to a leftist POS to attack an entire state… Really, an entire region of the US.
        And dumb fux like you can't figure out why Hilary got beat like a drum… you have to invent stories of "Russian Collusion". All the while, you worship the biggest rapist, hillbilly to ever occupy The White House.

        Why are leftists so opposed to Roy Moore? Do they fear their monopoly on being sexual predators might be in jeopardy? Don't worry, Roy Moore has been proven guilty of nothing.

      • Rizzo  •  Dec 13, 2017 at 9:05 am

        Just curious Ty… now that Doug Jones has won in Alabama, will you continue to bash the south? These people who elected him, are they not the same backwoods, hillbilly racists that you have portrayed them to be? Or, have they suddenly transformed themselves into educated, forward-thinking people, as you fancy yourself to be?

  8. John D. Fiat  •  Dec 7, 2017 at 4:00 am

    Where does this 80% stat come from? I find it highly dubious. It's either fictitious or from a Leftist rag! (oh right, that's the same thing!) But Michael has always been an open border Neocon. So…

  9. Libtard  •  Dec 12, 2017 at 1:17 am

    The Don is stuck in a bog. #metoo, is creeping up from behind, Deutche Bank in the rear mirror. Ric Toc.

    Reagan was a rapist.
    Reagan met starlet Selene Walters in a Hollywood nightclub in the cart) 1950s. "Although I was on a date," she quotes Walters as saying, "Ronnie kept whispering in my ear, 'I'd like to call you. How can I get in touch with you?' " Hoping that Reagan, then president of the Screen Actors Guild, could boost her career, Walters gave him her address and was surprised when he came calling at 3 A.M. "He pushed his way inside and said he just had to see me. He forced me on the couch…and said, 'Let's just get to know each other.' It was the most pitched battle I've ever had, and suddenly in a matter of seconds I lost…. They call it date rape today…."

    • Nani Tavares  •  Dec 12, 2017 at 12:20 pm

      A perfect example of lack of due process.

    • Rizzo  •  Dec 12, 2017 at 5:31 pm

      This dumb M/F'er wants to smear people with unsubstantiated gossip?
      What a GD joke you are. Only Slate, MSLSD and the quack who wrote it, would stoop this low.

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