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Topsy-Turvy Values Behind the Anti-Business “Head Tax”

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A shockingly stupid proposal has outraged the business community here in Seattle, illustrating the topsy-turvy values of contemporary liberalism.

The City plans to enact a punitive “head tax” on every business with revenues of more than 20 million dollars. These companies would be forced to pay a special tax for each of their full-time employees, with the money providing more services for the homeless. In other words, major corporations that provide thousands of jobs would be punished for their success.

A decent government ought to encourage beneficial behavior, while discouraging self-destructive and damaging conduct. But here, Seattle leftists mean to reverse the equation: punishing job creation—good behavior that benefits everyone—while rewarding dysfunctional and destructive behavior, like camping out in public parks or under freeways. This folly demonstrates the twisted thinking that characterizes progressive ideology.

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  1. Ty  •  May 10, 2018 at 5:36 pm

    I don't think that is a good policy for dealing with the homeless, but I have a basic question for the conservative peanut gallery here.

    What is your solution(s) for the homeless problem? It exists in most if not all big cities and beyond. Some people are there temporarily as they fall on bad luck and as I've tried to explain to conservatives many times, not everyone is surrounded by the same support network or seen by your vaunted charity fairy to lift such people higher. But many of those have a shot at rising back.

    Then there is the population with mental issues. We've all seen them, some dirtied/disheveled walking along the street barking out loud sounds. Clearly they need help, clearly "working harder" is not going to cut it for that population as a whole. Do you hospitalize them and offer treatment and a place to stay? Who pays for that? The charity fairy? Or society through taxes?

    If the latter is not allowed because you conservatives are mental/ideological slaves that have certain solution pathways shut down because it does not align with proper dogma, what is the solution for that population? Or is it to let them roam, and just push them away and wind out the clock until they die and have their bodies turned to ashes?

    I suppose this is less of a negative if religious, hopefully they will fare better in the next life, but for myself as an atheist, seeing this tiny sliver of existence as the only life we will ever have, that seems like an awful solution to have people rest with.

    And then there are the people who are not severely mentally retarded where we mostly help them with some disability, but are not the sharpest tools in the shed. Since we live in a mostly meritocratic society when it comes to employment, a higher percentage of this population will have trouble holding down a job, or if they do, it might not be enough to cover the cost of living in a city where liberals (and most people who want to get out of a ditch) want to live.

    What is to be done about them? As I've said above, some people are still functional but are having a hard time, and I heard a shocking number of homeless people are actually working. Even if a homeless person gets a basic job, the floor of income they rise to with a low end job is so low it's often not enough to afford a place to live in denser cities.

    So, what is the solution? Try to come up with something other than tossing them into a pit or creating gated communities to keep the zombies/others out.

    (braces self for horror show of conservative solutions)

    • The needs counselling  •  May 10, 2018 at 11:14 pm

      More strawman arguments and hate from a mentally deranged midget.

      • Rizzo  •  May 11, 2018 at 5:10 am

        No matter the problem, government is always the solution.
        Oh, and don’t forget to plunder and pillage the hard work and property of the contributors in society.
        That strategy is always very popular with the leftists!

    • Nani Tavares  •  May 11, 2018 at 7:02 am

      No, Ty, the question is what do YOU think should be done? What do we do with people who refuse temporary housing because they will not give up their pets or follow rules that will not allow the “freedom” to do drugs? Or people who have so little respect for themselves that they have no respect for public areas? And those who camp out on public land and deny access to the public?

      We’ve turned over much of the function of charities to the government. What was once received with shame and gratitude is now demanded as though they have a right to what others earn. And yet somehow the tent cities continue to grow. And so does the anger and the feeling of being cheated.

      Tell me what is your bright idea on how to get the homeless to help themselves?

  2. Rizzo  •  May 11, 2018 at 4:48 am

    How do atheists explain creation?
    From nothing, came something.
    Does science adequately explain that?
    Atheists are no less believers than the religious.
    They just put their faith in nothing.
    And that, adequately explains the left.

    • Ty  •  May 11, 2018 at 7:46 am

      I have no idea how the universe was created, and neither do you. But you certainly think you do.

      I have no idea if nothing came from something or vice versa. But note, those same "impossible" characteristics about a universe popping into existence from nothing, or some eternal existence of a universe outside time is the EXACT set of characteristics you grant to the entity you call "God"

      Same problem set, how did god get here? Did god come from nothing? Was he always here? So if the universe in some form could not exist for eternity and beyond, how could god? Because you constructed him that way? Then why not assume such a thing is possible for the universe itself? Because? Because you want to believe your precious little fairy tails are special. They are not.

      No, science does not adequately explain how we all got here. Keep asking the most arrogant of all scientists, what came before the big bang? Some will speculate about multiverses, but dig deeply and the answer you will find is… wait for it..

      I don't know.

      Humility about our own knowledge. But NOT you, not you theists. Keep scratching the endless chasms of your own ignorance about how we all got here and the response we find? I DO Know !!!!!!!!!! GOD !!!!!!! I HAVE THE ANSWERS !!!!!!!!

      The arrogance of the theists mind is boundless. The near total lack of humility in your own knowledge coupled to the near certainty that you have the answers to the mysteries of how it all began is the essence of being a modern conservative. Are your beliefs actually true? Who cares right? You believe them, and that is all that matters!

      But I am being too harsh. This atheist thing is not a pleasant outlook and life for many. It's like having the ethical training wheels taken off, the warm blanket of existence removed. Some of you need training wheels to function better, and a warm blanket for more comfort. Death is sadder for us because we expect this to be the end, and that makes losses harder to deal with. But it also makes situations of self sacrifice of such people the most noble sacrifices of all. There is no expectation of this life merely being some transition, this is it. That is a bigger set of stakes to toss away. And FAR more ennobling.

      • Rizzo  •  May 11, 2018 at 8:59 am

        So Ty…. basically, nobody knows.
        And NOBODY has a better explanation than God.
        But, you refuse to even be open to that idea, because you are so FAITHFUL in your belief that there is NO GOD.

        It’s really sad and pathetic. I’m just happy to not be you. I can’t imagine living in a world that is as empty as yours.

      • Rizzo  •  May 11, 2018 at 10:08 am

        Your ramblings also adequately explain why Government is God to you.
        Belief and faith are a human quality. Once you ditch your belief in God, it must be replaced by something… e.g. Government, the environment, etc.

        So misplaced is your faith. Perhaps that is why there are so few examples of "self sacrifice" and charity from you Godless people.

      • Dmitry Knipper  •  May 11, 2018 at 10:37 am

        Wow, lol. And you say that it's the theists who are arrogant!

      • Rizzo  •  May 11, 2018 at 11:51 am

        Your Godlessness definitely explains the left’s obsession with killing babies.

  3. Ty  •  May 11, 2018 at 7:30 am

    And what a surprise, I asked for conservative solutions and what did I get? Not a god damned thing. Same on repealing and "replacing" obamacare, as is so typical of modern conservatism, you know what you are against being a protest vote and party to the efforts of liberalism, but you don't know what you are for do you?

    Such a sad people. I'm still waiting, won't someone prove me wrong? Even Michael falls into this trap. He often talks about the homeless problem, but almost always relating to his negative reactions to something a liberal mayor in Seattle (the LIBERAL city he chose to live in) or some other liberal effort to curb the problem. But what is Michaels solution? Have the homeless not fallen far enough? I suppose living on the streets is too much of an easy life and they need life to kick them harder? So what next? Be more aggressive and ticket people for giving money to homeless people? What dials of increased stress and pressure on the torture rack is left in this turnip to tap?

    Maybe someone will step forward, because all I see so far is b*tching and complaining about the problem. No solutions.

    • Rizzo  •  May 11, 2018 at 11:26 am

      It makes you wonder if Ty can even read.
      Did your Mom forget to read this part to you?
      “A decent government ought to encourage beneficial behavior, while discouraging self-destructive and damaging conduct. ”

      • Ty  •  May 11, 2018 at 2:21 pm

        That is not a policy, it's a vague sentiment. Nothing, you have NOTHING.

        That is not going to fix people who are on the streets that are mentally ill. Their problem goes BEYOND societal signals of good and bad behavior, it's in their Brain, the Brain the kind/loving/JUST GOD most of you believe in saddled some people with, and not others. Those people DID NOT CHOOSE to be mentally crippled, they simply are.

        Now, to non Sadists, that reality ought to be a justification to at a minimum helping those people, the entire legitimacy of a meritocracy rests on people being responsible for their own successes and failures. Who is responsible for a mentally ill person not being able to hold down or perform a Job? Other than GOD for being so SLOPPY or vicious and cruel in his creation to allow such people who cannot take care of themselves as adults to persist?

        I have some solutions, but they go beyond charity and involve using government power, but that is not allowed, so I ask AGAIN conservatives, what would YOU do to solve or at a minimum put massive dents into the homeless problem that does not involve government? And if it does involve government (baby steps to adulthood and FINALLY taking that STUPID libertarian pacifier out of your mouth), why don't you make a case as to why it is needed and would be better than the market free for all alternative?

      • Rizzo  •  May 11, 2018 at 3:13 pm

        "I have some solutions, but they go beyond charity and involve using government power, but that is not allowed"?????

        What the F world do you live in? Not only is it "allowed", it is REQUIRED by you LEFTISTS.

      • Ty  •  May 11, 2018 at 3:32 pm

        Not required, allowed. I leave open the door to some potential solutions that do not involve the government, and I am STILL waiting to hear them from ANY conservatives reading this. I have put out the call, and so far gotten jack #%$.

        But unlike you little ideological golems, I am not going to tie my hands and brain down and ignore solutions people have actually bothered to come up with because they involve something you hate, government. You have something better, SHOW IT. Or step aside.

        This is why it's such a loss for this world and nation that conservatives have so much power. We are chained in place by jackals like yourself. Your own failures of imagination have to be the standard for the rest of us. Your FEARS of policy failures bind experimentation and testing. You think I expect every liberal policy to work? Of course I don't, but part of how you figure out what does work is you TRY new ideas and see how they function in the real world.

        Or, we could stay in the Gutter like your strain of reactionary conservatism, bitch and moan, presume that nothing ventured attached to government will yield any gains, and at the same time spend close to ZERO time trying to get gains within your own constraints. It's just status quo all the way down.

      • Nani Tavares  •  May 11, 2018 at 5:35 pm

        So Ty, are you admitting that the Liberal idea of having the government take care of the homeless has FAILED??? And like children who have made a mess of things, you come to conservatives and demand that we come up with solutions to get us out of the mess YOUR liberal ideas of how to deal with the homeless have caused?

        Why Ty, YOUR people have replaced Godly charities with bureaucratic entitlements and NOW you wonder why it's not working?

        Sigh.

      • Nani Tavares  •  May 11, 2018 at 5:38 pm

        Ty, don't you think it is right and FAIR that since you guys made the mess, you come up with the solutions to fix it?

        Go on, we're waiting to hear your bright ideas.

      • Ty  •  May 11, 2018 at 10:32 pm

        http://www.understandhomelessness.com/explore/

        That offers an interesting insight into the numbers linked to other stats.

        spoiler alert, the homeless population rises more in areas with higher rents and more people. Dense areas like liberal cities and metro areas (btw, the southern California areas around San Diego and Los Angeles are some of the Densest areas in the entire nation – it's like one large megalopolis) have the highest rents and the most people, so of course you will see higher homeless levels there vs some rural community out in the sticks that costs dirt and rocks to afford a place/shed to live.

        You know what the biggest driver of higher rents is? supply and demand, in other words, THE GOD DAMNED MARKET !!!

        But of course, that can't be part of ANY of the problem, the market giveth life and prosperity and happiness, creative des… woops, leave that part off we have to pretend by itself it's ALL positive for ALL people.

        I told you, I have some potential solutions, but so far after ALL this writing and talking, not a SINGLE conservative here has offerered anything but vague sayings. I am still waiting for your ideas. How would you solve the homeless problem, or put a large dent in it.

        Once again. Go. Come on. For once in your lives, TRY to step out of the blame game of government is horrible, and the libs are bad and mess everything up. You are in control, you have rising homelessness, what do YOU do ????

      • Rizzo  •  May 12, 2018 at 2:54 am

        "You know what the biggest driver of higher rents is? supply and demand, in other words, THE GOD DAMNED MARKET !!!"
        – Individual people are a HUGE part of the market. If people can't afford to live somewhere, MOVE!
        Do you know why I drive a Chevy, and not a Ferrari? Because I drive what I can afford.
        I guess libtards can't figure that out.

      • Rizzo  •  May 12, 2018 at 12:40 pm

        So you see Ty, The Free Market, and the market-based system allow for FREE individuals to sort out where they should live. It doesn’t require top-down, government mandate “Policies” to correct for idiots who don’t understand how to live within their means.
        Sure, I would LOVE to live in SanDiego or Hawaii, the weather is GREAT! But, I have made a determination to live elsewhere, where my money goes MUCH FURTHER!
        GOD BLESS FREEDOM!

      • Rizzo  •  May 12, 2018 at 12:43 pm

        Not EVERY problem under the sun requires a government “Policy”. Not only does a government policy not fix the problem, in all likelihood, the policy created the problem and additional interference will only make it worse.

      • Nani Tavares  •  May 12, 2018 at 2:04 pm

        No Ty, you don't get out of this by demanding answers from us. You and yours made the mess; now come up with solutions to fix it.

      • Ty  •  May 12, 2018 at 2:46 pm

        That's a new one, liberals caused homelessness. Or perhaps you meant increased homelessness?

        Let's say that was true to make you feel better about yourselves. I am still not hearing any conservative solutions that are kosher with hatred for government involvement. Still waiting.

        To the rest of the peanut gallery reading this, especially you die hard conservatives. Note what you do not see from anyone else here. Solutions. Is that what it means to be a modern conservative? To have no answers but a hands off and let the chips fall where they may attitude? So long as government is not involved somehow, whatever happens is legitimate? If not, it would have been interesting to hear some conservative ideas to help solve this issue.

        If I was a conservative (/shudders), I would be embarrassed at the performance of the people on my side to have so few solutions to offer. But that might be part of the problem. That may be a liberal bias of mine, because of my liberalism, I actually think we can make the world better than what it is. I see the crooked timber of mankind and think we can make it a little straighter, see rising homelessness and think we can turn those numbers around, not by sitting on our ass and having some conservative hands off so long as big bad government is not involved wherever the chips fall is A-O-K, but by coming up with potential solutions and trying them out.

        It's quite clear that that impulse is just not there to the same degree in those broken, destitute conservative minds out there. Reason number 972 why I don't ever want to count myself as a conservative.

      • Rizzo  •  May 12, 2018 at 3:15 pm

        Also note, homelessness is WORST in liberal-Utopias.
        So, it is easily understood, with the exception of libtards, that liberal "policies" have FAILED.
        Homelessness grew most notably during the reign of Obama the GREAT.
        Ty, show me one place ANYWHERE in America, that has a "hands-off and let the chips fall where they may" approach?
        We have tried ALL OF YOUR GOVERNMENT "solutions", name ONE THAT HAS WORKED?
        Why are you so terrified of freedom?
        Trump, and conservatives have proven once again that FREEDOM WORKS.
        Unemployment down.
        Food stamps down.
        Stock market BOOM!
        US economy and GDP on a growth trajectory.
        Largest monthly tax surplus EVER!
        Do you suppose any of these things could help in reducing homelessness?

  4. Rizzo  •  May 11, 2018 at 9:10 am

    There is no better answer. All praise government.
    Government is mighty, and good, and all-knowing.
    Government will solve all our problems, and deliver us to salvation.

  5. Harvey Homan  •  May 11, 2018 at 1:45 pm

    I hope those socialist/communist city council members pass the head tax. Business will leave Seattle in droves, and maybe then those idiot liberals will get a clue.

  6. Rizzo  •  May 12, 2018 at 4:59 pm

    "That's a new one, liberals caused homelessness. Or perhaps you meant increased homelessness?"

    Well, if that fact is new to you, then this one will really be shocking to you.
    7 Ways the War on Poverty Destroyed Black Fatherhood

    http://atlantablackstar.com/2014/12/24/ways-war-poverty-destroyed-black-fatherhood/

    It is ALL very well documented. For all it's promises, leftist, liberal policies are destructive to society… as it is intended to be.

  7. Nani Tavares  •  May 12, 2018 at 7:03 pm

    Ty, I'm waiting for YOU to come up with a solution. Go on, tell us how you will take from hard working people to "help" those who won't help themselves. Tell us that huge idea that doesn't include stealing other people's money and investments. Show us that you actually care about the rest of us; that we count too. Tell us how you're going to keep the homeless from sleeping in front of a store and won't move until the store owner gives them some money. I'd love to hear how you are going to house the homeless without telling landlords what to do with property they sweated and risked their families' future on. Explain the brilliant way you are going to get the homeless to clean up after themselves. Convince me that it is our problem because the homeless are human beings and exist and how that takes precedence over the forgotten worker, trying to feed a family, even to the point of having two jobs.

    Ty, when you have done all that, then we can talk about what conservatives want to do about the homeless. When you stole our money and spent it on programs that offered little or no incentive to the poor to help themselves, you and yours created an entire generation of "give me". Any requirement suggested by a conservative will only create a moral ground YOU want to stand on and pontificate.

    Sorry, we ain't biting.

    • Ty  •  May 12, 2018 at 9:31 pm

      I was trying to wait until a single conservative gave ANY of their own solutions beyond utter vagaries.

      Still waiting.

      But until I hear of some of your solutions to the problem, I have have to tell you all, I don't want to hear you bitch about an issue you have zero interest or desire in helping to solve.

      • Rizzo  •  May 12, 2018 at 11:01 pm

        Have your Mom read to you my posts.
        It clearly demonstrates your failures, and my solutions.
        Now, I will admit, my solutions do require some personal accountability.
        But with freedom, the possibilities are boundless.
        More jobs. More people working. Less need for handouts. More disposable income.
        Less dependency. Less homelessness.
        Just follow the lead of all the other RED states around the country. You know, the ones that don't account for 95% of the homeless in America.
        Seriously, Ty, you're from Cali…. LibTard HEAVEN. YOU LEAD THE NATION IN HOMLESSNESS. You think you have solutions? Don't make me spit up my bourbon, and quite possibly piss myself. You are CLUELESS!

  8. Rizzo  •  May 13, 2018 at 9:29 am

    Nani
    Happy Mother's Day to you and all the great moms of America.
    Thank you for all your incredible contributions here.
    Keep up the good work, and maybe someday we will either teach or defeat the Ty's of the world.
    Personally, I would prefer to teach. But, he seems totally incapable of learning.

    • Nani Tavares  •  May 13, 2018 at 3:27 pm

      Thanks Rizzo. As for teaching Ty and his kind, I don't think we can reach them. But I've learned from you and Jim and others. I've actually changed my mind on some things, so keep it up.

      • Rizzo  •  May 13, 2018 at 7:14 pm

        What do you think the government policy should be on improving “Mother’s Day”?
        Government needs to ensure that all mothers have a great day.
        I’m waiting for suggestions on a policy.
        Because, as we all know, government policy SOLVES EVERY PROBLEM.

  9. Rizzo  •  May 14, 2018 at 7:30 am

    I wonder how the California government policy of “Sanctuary State” impacts homelessness?

  10. Don Smith  •  May 21, 2018 at 2:00 pm

    Tell Ty that every word that followed his snide comment of "peanut gallery" was not read with an open mind. What a rude jerk with the typical unfounded air of bs from the crude left. And we wonder why we all just can't get along.

    • Ty  •  May 31, 2018 at 7:53 pm

      Once again, still no solution to the problem offered. Run along and be offended at my dismissive jab, I've suffered infinitely worse listening to so many conservatives butcher my beliefs on radio and lambaste a world view they don't have a fraction of an understanding of.

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