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A recent headline in the Seattle Times triumphantly announced: “Seattle Area Ranks Third for Same Sex Marriages, IRS Data Show.” This meant 1% of all married couples in the Seattle area were gay or Lesbian, double the 0.48% of all marriages nationwide.

Contrary to predictions that millions of gay couples would rush to matrimony as soon as the law changed, tax returns reveal only 250,000 same sex couples-compared to 52 million male-female couples.

What’s more, the nature of gay families remains dramatically different: only 7% of married male-male couples have children at home; 48% of male-female marriages do.

The numbers suggest it wasn’t just legal obstacles that blocked gay couples from marriage; it was different priorities. The tiny percentage of same sex weddings also demonstrates that for the overwhelming majority of married couples in America—more than 99.5%—marriage still means one man, one woman.

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  1. Ty  •  Apr 10, 2018 at 8:45 pm

    You don't get it Michael. The point of gay marriage, and why it is not allowed and why public opinion changed against the social conservative side was that the PRIMARY reason people were opposed to gay marriage was because of an animus towards gay people and gay relationships. When that faded, so too did the opposition to SANCTIONING and having society BLESS their relationships via the title of "Marriage"

    I NEVER expected the same number of gay men to get married compared to lesbian women, or that the numbers would match the hetersexual population. Of course it wouldn't. The dynamics of male/female – male/male – female/female relationships are different on average, one ought to have EXPECTED different numbers for the different paring types.

    But in ALL cases, society gives its blessing, and THAT is what you social conservatives HATE most of all. Before you took deep comfort in the knowledge that society at large still enforced YOUR standards of marriage and who and who was not "WORTHY" of the honor and sanction and blessing of a "proper" relationship. That is gone now, we took your antagonism in the palm of our hands, and ground it to dust, and then scattered those bitter little ashes into the wind. And you are still mad about that.

    I'm sure that is part of the reason evangelical christian national/supremecists act like they are so victimized and under siege, they took cultural peace of mind being the DOMINANT social standard, and the MOMENT it was clear THEIR standards were not as universal as they once were, they started playing the victim and acting out like a bunch of oppressed little broken children.

    THEIR cultural standards and norms were supposed to be supreme! That is why the evangelical nationalists are so willing to act like barnacles and latch onto ANY ship like Trump, no matter how foul to get some of their standards back.

    I have bad news, on gay marriage, you're done. It's over. WE, the liberals, won. And if you are still enraged about it, I want you to calm the hell down and stop acting like pathetic spazzes.

    The sun is still shining, you marriages are still in tact as they've always been. There is no ZERO SUM GAME of marriages such that by giving societal blessing to gay relationships that takes AWAY from your relationships and marriages. If you think that, you are thinking like losers. And trying to enforce your religious standards of what is right and proper on the rest of the nation. Keep trying, and keep getting slapped back. Your standards are NOT my standards. Get over it, and be happy with your life, because nothing has changed on the marriage front that diminishes your marriages.

    • Terr  •  Apr 16, 2018 at 6:08 pm

      Hey Ty…..Liberals only won because the Supreme court gave it to you…EVERY State, except one when it was put on the ballet rejected Gay marriage….even liberal California rejected it. The only way liberals ever win, is by liberal Judges on the Supreme Court handing you a victory…because you would never win otherwise.

      • Ty  •  Apr 19, 2018 at 11:41 pm

        For the record, I would have preferred gay marriage to win state by state at the ballot box and not via judges, except when it comes to overturning constitutional bans. It was already happening over time, state by state began to fall away where the public clearly turned in favor of gay marriage. It would have continued until only the most wretched social conservative backwaters were left. But winning the issue that way would have given me much more personal satisfaction, I wanted you all to see your preferences and desires of what is right and proper rejected state by state by state. I wanted to see your beliefs and attitudes about gays slapped down over and over.

      • Rizzo  •  Apr 22, 2018 at 9:31 am

        Ty
        "I wanted you all to see your preferences and desires of what is right and proper rejected state by state by state"

        That's funny… because what we found was the EXACT OPPOSITE. Gay Marriage has been "slapped down over and over". People REJECT the concept that MARRIAGE has any REAL meaning, outside of the "Right and Proper" definition of it being a union between a Man and a Woman.

  2. Ty needs counseling  •  Apr 10, 2018 at 11:01 pm

    Tyrell, you are nothing but a hateful little bigot. You wrongly rail against "animus" towards gay people and gay relationships and then you fail to see your animus towards "evangelicals" and numerous other groups who you hate only because they disagree with your views. But your animus is justified, right? Real Christians, what you call evangelicals, are against homosexuality because we think it is a self-destructive lifestyle that is not in the best interest of anybody. It is not because of an "animus."

    How do you feel about polygamy and bigamy? Do you have an "animus" against those people and relationships? What about two adults, say brother and sister or father and daughter, who want to be married? Do you have an animus against those people or their relationships?

    I hope some day you seek some serious counseling. Once you let go of all of that irrational hate, you might be able to grow up a little and quit acting like a teenager who thinks she has everything all figured out.

    • Ty  •  Apr 11, 2018 at 8:21 pm

      I have animus towards evangelicals because they use their religion as a shield to promote their primary God, conservatism. They are liars, and it's not enough that they value different things, they want THEIR standards of what is right and proper to scale to everyone else in society. And they are still mad that we ejected their standards of marriage from the nation.

      You know who gets to decide what qualifies as a marriage? Society. And what determines what is and is not allowed to be classified as a marriage? The people in that society. IF we ever got enough people wanting to give a societal blessing to polygamous relationships, that might be included in marriage at a later date. I'm not personally for it. And if this all sounds arbitrary, that is because it IS !!!!!! And these arbitrary standards just don't happen to line up with yours. And you can't stand it. You want supremacy over social standards, well you don't have it and you won't be getting it back.

      If you think gay relationships and gay marriage is destructive, then don't get gay married. But of course, not enough for your brand of christian supremacy. You lament the loss of your oppressive social standards and morays blanketing society. You were probably against getting rid of dadt too, after all, don't want any filthy gays in the military causing some WEAK brittle little social conservative to sperg out and… what? crumple into a ball? You are that WEAK? Sounds like those are the very people that needed to leave, not the gays minding their own business.

      If you had your way, all the gays would be probably be encouraged to go to camps to get them to pretend they were attracted to women. Might even have some stick, who cares if some people would be more miserable. Got to stick to gods plans.

      Has it ever occurred to you to ask WHY this "Just" and "noble" GOD you believe in, would demand that heterosexual relationships were the gold standard, then in his infinite cruelty create a world where some of his children were attracted to the same sex?

      GOD: Join in these unions, even though some smaller percentage of you will not find attraction in those unions.

      Seems like a MUCH bigger burden and hill to climb and demand of some people. And when they choose NOT to climb up that spiked lava flowing hill of misery, you pitch a fit and claim they are living destructive lives for forming relationships that align with the attraction that your GOD allowed to exist (either by design, or because he was so SLOPPY in his creation).

      No thanks. If you want to stick to the path of broken glass, have at it, but don't expect the rest of us to follow.

      • Dmitry Knipper  •  Apr 12, 2018 at 2:04 am

        Nowhere do you mention the noble option of celibacy for people who do not want matrimony.

      • Ty  •  Apr 12, 2018 at 4:15 pm

        Oh yes, the noble life of a Eunuch. Again, no thanks.

      • Ty needs counseling  •  Apr 15, 2018 at 11:17 pm

        I didn't read your comment past the first paragraph because it was clear it was just – "conservatives and evangelicals bad and liberals good." Just save time and instead of typing that word vomit just say "conservatives/evangelicals/christians/etc are bad and I hate them. And Liberals good." That is the essence of all of your stupid comments that are clearly just blind, irrational, and pathological hatred. Yeah, people who disagree with you on politics are conveniently liars, etc. and those that share your beliefs are not. You really need help.

        And I have only one thing to say about your views on marriage – SCOREBOARD!!!!!! This country became the most powerful, most free, and most just country in the world with the values that I and other conservatives and evangelicals have. There is no country that has even survived with pure acceptance of homosexuality. Not one. And not one successful country got there by allowing gay marriage. All successful countries have had negative views on homosexual relationships even the Roman empire. You represent the decline of western culture!!!!! Which I am sure you are proud of because you hate this country as do most libtards.

        Also, public opinion only came to accept gay marriage when it was clear that it was unstoppable. People didn't want to be bullied like that guy who started Mozilla. Gay marriage got majority acceptance not by arguments but by the facistic actions of the "gay rights" supporters.

        The liberal view of homosexuality and human sexuality in general is laughable. If your whole ideology wasn't based on emotion, you might realize that there is no real basis for the liberal view of human sexuality.

        Good day my friend. Please get help soon.

      • Ty  •  Apr 19, 2018 at 11:57 pm

        Public opinion on gay marriage changed because gays were more visible. Visible on television and in public life. Social conservative animus towards gays, and it IS animus and hatred of gay attraction and relationships, don't LIE, REQUIRED gay people to stay in the shadows.

        When gays were in the shadows, like the military, it was EASY to demonize them and allow the few known stragglers to be kicked out of your precious little company with impunity. But as more gays came out and were seen in the public, people looked at them as HUMAN BEINGS and not just DEVIANTS that were defined down to NOTHING but what the HATEFUL right saw them as, bundles of sin and depravity. Nowhere was this clearer than the military. People had lived with and near gays for CENTURIES. Many of those gays fought and died side by side others. And now, because you find out they are attracted to the same sex they need to be removed from their positions in the service? NOT because of what they did, because of their attractions, that THEY DO NOT CONTROL. The more gays that came out openly, the harder it was to demonize them. Because plenty of people in the military lived and fought beside these people, KNEW they are not awful human beings, KNEW they were not just some REFUSE to be discarded and tossed out of service because some HATEFUL WEAK brittle little LOSER social conservatives who are so BROKEN mentally they can barely FUNCTION if they find out a gay is near has personal issues.

        More gays coming out, and more and more people saw that they were decent, exposed the LIES of the right about who and what they are. And when the animus of the public went away, so too did the animus towards gays in the military and gay relationships and marriage. The MOMENT the hatred and disgust against gays went away, so did the attitudes against them getting married. Do you EVER wonder why? Because that DISGUST was the SOURCE of the hatred and banishment from society that you social conservatives desperately wanted to enforce.

        And as I have said earlier, now that gays are more accepted and can get married and can serve openly in the military, what has happened to you? Nothing. You are not persecuted, you are not oppressed. But that is not enough. You want your standards of decency to dictate terms for the rest of us. You wanted your antagonism towards gays bound in marriage laws, and who is allowed to serve in the military.

        I have a message for you all. Too bad. Not going to happen. Get over it. Or don't, and wallow in misery and a never ending victim complex instead of living your own life. I know how hard it is for you natural busy bodies to mind your own lives.

      • Rizzo  •  Apr 22, 2018 at 3:27 pm

        "Public opinion on gay marriage changed"

        When did it change? Every time people get to vote, and voice their beliefs, gay "marriage" is roundly rejected.

  3. Abcs  •  Apr 11, 2018 at 2:15 am

    Medved is a bitter closet case. He projects his own sexual brokenness on others to make him feel better about himself. Just look at him. He is the most sexually undesirable droopy eyed, limping jewey looking guy. He knows his wife who is half way ok looking, (no beauty) woman. Oddly she is a therapist who has nothing nice to say about gay people, because she sees in her husband something not quite straight. My gadar goes full tilt on Medved. People who obsess on gay issues, have gay issues themselves. Studies show this. His first marriage was childless which says a lot.

    • Phil  •  Apr 11, 2018 at 10:56 am

      Obviously you are a mean, bitter person, so allow me to give you a little advice. If your entire premise is that you are more loving, caring and compassionate, you undercut your own premise with your nasty personal insults. You are doing more harm than good for your cause when you say these things. Personally, I have no problem with gay marriage, but I can respect those who do. We just see the issue differently. They're hesitant to make such a major change to such a major social institution. That doesn't make them bad people, nor does it mean they hate gays. I have a friend who is gay, and he doesn't support the idea of gay marriage. He and his partner live a happy life together, but they don't believe their relationship should be defined as a "marriage." To each his own. You can have a respectful conversation about a topic without being a jerk. I suggest you give it a shot sometime.

    • Ty needs counseling  •  Apr 15, 2018 at 11:21 pm

      Hey dopey, he and his first wife could not conceive. Read his book before outing yourself as a bigot. Ooppps, too late.

      The idea that people who are against homosexuality is about the dumbest idea out there. And the research does not support your theory. And Medved doesn't really talk much about the issue so your idea that he "obsesses" is just more proof of your bigotry.

      • Ty needs counseling  •  Apr 15, 2018 at 11:23 pm

        The idea that people who are against homosexuality are secretly gay is about the dumbest idea out there.

        But yeah, believe every social science study you read the them massively over-exaggerate the already questionable results. Please get help soon.

  4. Abcs  •  Apr 12, 2018 at 3:19 am

    Personally, I have no problem with Nazis, but I can respect those who do. We just see the issue differently. That doesn't make them bad people, nor does it mean they hate jews. I have a friend who is a Jew, and he doesn't support the idea of Jews practicing their religionin public. He and his jew friends live a happy life together, but they don’t think it’s rigjt to put their jewienress in everyone’s face. To each his own. You can have a respectful conversation about a topic without being a jerk. I suggest you give it a shot sometime.

    • Phil  •  Apr 12, 2018 at 10:09 am

      So how do you account for homosexuals who don't think the definition of marriage should be changed? There are some out there, you know. And no, they don't hate themselves. Answer that, smartass.

    • Ty needs counseling  •  Apr 15, 2018 at 11:25 pm

      Does the high IQ and financial success of Jewish people make you bitter and angry? Did a rugged handsome jewish man like Medved steal one of your love interests? Ha ha ha….loser.

  5. Abcs  •  Apr 12, 2018 at 3:22 am

    Medved has said awful things about gays, including saying that every gay life is a tragedy. You call that respect. Now go blow your imaginary gay friend.

    • Phil  •  Apr 12, 2018 at 10:10 am

      At least I have the courage to use my name. Coward.

  6. Dmitry Knipper  •  Apr 12, 2018 at 7:11 pm

    In response to Ty's "Oh yes, the noble life of a Eunuch. Again, no thanks."

    I found a very good summing up of Christian belief re proper sexual behavior:

    "Acting upon sexual temptations outside of natural marriage is an occasion of sin, regardless of orientation (including heterosexuals)"

    • Ty  •  Apr 12, 2018 at 8:27 pm

      So to recap.

      "Acting upon sexual temptations outside of natural marriage is an occasion of sin, regardless of orientation (including heterosexuals)"

      Gays: Let us get married!

      Social Conservatives : No, marriage is not for you. Sinners. Now turn straight like this guy did /s

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqLuHB8vX_A

      and let marry some woman that will never have to worry her husband has zero sexual interest in her and far more interest in literally every other guy that walks in front of him.

      I mean honestly, EVEN you died in the wool evangelicals, do YOU want your daughters marrying that guy? He's got flames shooting out of his eyes, I can't imagine a human being that would have less interest in any of your daughters.

      So it's either that to have non sinner conjugal relationships? Or stay celibate?

      Gee, I wonder why people cast religion off and choose not to be bound like slaves to those ridiculous rules. If you need those busted training wheels of morality to function, I feel sorry for you.

      This kind of cartoonish obedience reminds me of that scene from Coming to America, where Eddie Murphy met his arranged bride from his home African country. She was trained to do whatever he would say, no questions asked, to test this, he told her to hop on one leg, and she did. Told her to bark like a dog, and she did. When he asked her what she liked, she responded, whatever it is YOU like!

      Ugh, this supplication and surrender of your own will, for all the talk of conservatives being more freedom loving, you all seem to love accepting so many social and celestial chains on your own behavior.

      • Dmitry Knipper  •  Apr 12, 2018 at 10:51 pm

        In regard to the idea of personally choosing to control one's desires: I just saw the Japanese film "Tampopo" for the first time, so a sex/food analogy leaped to my mind. The consumption of food to alleviate hunger, provide nutrition and to be a pleasurable experience is a good and necessary thing. But not controlling one's desires to overeat and/or to eat a steady diet of unhealthful foods shows poor judgment.

        It's not a matter of being slaves in chains, but of being in control of reins.

      • Ty needs counseling  •  Apr 15, 2018 at 11:26 pm

        Nothing says credibility like linking to youtube videos….the great bastion of rational thought. ha ha ha ha. LOSER!!!! Ty, you can probably get welfare to pay for your counseling. Medicaid probably pays when it is an emergency, which your pathological hatred clearly is.

    • Abcs  •  Apr 14, 2018 at 4:22 pm

      First generation Russian and Cuban immigrants are stupid. They grew up in a society where their minds were state controlled by the government. A cirtificate and a pledge do not an American make. My ancestors came here on the Mayflower and Arabella. The settled New England and named their towns. Doesn’t matter if they are left or right. We need a return to the New England establishment. It’s either the aristocracy or new money and evangelical hillbillies. It’s not left right. When the Republican Party looks more like Ike and less like a carnival barker, we are better off. The democrats should put up billboards with obama saying “miss me yet?”

      • Ezra  •  Apr 20, 2018 at 11:32 pm

        Abcs, You are quite the snob. Your ancestors were Tories and you long to tax everyone out of existence so you can join the Kennedys in your teabag and sandwich events. Do we miss Øbama? As much as you love Trump and secretly want a kiss from him.

  7. Liz  •  Apr 13, 2018 at 6:22 pm

    A factor, too, in the number of homosexual, both male and female, is that there are very few homosexual persons compared to heterosexual. And before someone jumps on me for this statement, percentage wise there is a great difference in the numbers as about 3.8% identify as LGBT. According to this Gallup Survey article, many Americans think the percentage is 20 or up to 25%, but those figures are not consistent with Gallup Survey findings. http://news.gallup.com/poll/183383/americans-greatly-overestimate-percent-gay-lesbian.aspx

    • Kpar  •  Apr 14, 2018 at 9:53 am

      Liz, I agree. The numbers I have heard usually were about 1 to 2 %, but I am willing to accept the figures you cite.

      • Abcs  •  Apr 15, 2018 at 6:23 am

        When they polled larry Craig as to whether he was gay, how do you think he responded? The exact number will never be known. There are a lot of woman married to gay men. They live, for the most part, in sexless marriages. They are what is referred to as “beards” (covers) for their husbands homosexuality. I have a good friend married to s beard. In his case, she is unaware of his activity’s. Other times they consent.

  8. Kpar  •  Apr 14, 2018 at 9:51 am

    I am not surprised that few gays choose to marry, now that they have the legal right to do so. It was never on the radar screen for most gay couples- in fact, it was a brilliant marketing move by some enterprising divorce attorneys.

    Yes, this was ALWAYS more about gay divorce than gay marriage- after all, what other legal contract is so easy to get into, and so difficult (and expensive) to get out of?

    The brilliance? Make it about the "civil rights" of a couple (remember, they already had "civil unions"!). Suddenly the whole "civil rights" movement (not necessarily the brightest bunch) gets on board, and the divorce bar gets a whole new, untouched marketing segment, along with a great big slice of the American dream…

  9. Abcs  •  Apr 15, 2018 at 6:26 am

    Fewer hetrosexuals are marrying. Divorce is high. And many of the marriages are not monogamious. Not a bad thing. Better an open marriage than divorce.

  10. Ty needs counseling  •  Apr 15, 2018 at 11:29 pm

    An open marriage is not a marriage at all. It is a ceremony and a status with no real significance.

  11. Rizzo  •  Apr 16, 2018 at 10:06 am

    Amen

  12. Rizzo  •  Apr 21, 2018 at 10:36 pm

    Is somebody trying to assume my identity?

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