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Why Millennials Prefer Marxism to Capitalism

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Recent articles have marveled at the fascination of today’s “millennials” with socialism, but a new survey shows even more alarming disregard for the capitalist system behind America’s prosperity and power.

Polling data from YouGov showed 51% of Americans in their twenties would prefer to live in a country that was “Socialist” or “Communist”; only 42% chose to live under “Capitalism.” In other words, a majority of young people reject the land of liberty that produced them. An amazing 23% even classified the genocidal dictator Stalin as a “hero.” This reflects the fact that Millennials have scant memory of the bad old days of Marxist tyranny: after all, they were 3 or younger when the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Empire collapsed.

That’s why high school and college history teachers must take time from their relentless attacks on America and its values and give appropriate attention to educating a new generation about the tens of millions of dead or suffering victims of Marxist/Socialist “experiments.”

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  1. Ty  •  Nov 8, 2017 at 4:19 pm

    This to me just suggests most millennials, like most talk radio listening conservatives, have no clue what the meaning of words are.

    The US is a capitalistic economy, So is France, so is Germany, so is the UK, so is Canada. ALL of these countries have some socialized programs as they are mixed economies. They are NOT the kinds of social darwinistic free for alls the anarchistic libertarian types and tea party rhetoric of the right dreams of. But I think a lot of these millennials hear idiot conservatives saying stupid things like universal healthcare = being a socialist country and internalizing the confused RAPE of language conservatives are guilty of perpetuating.

    Millennials might have internalized the sloppy use of language and meaning, but not the animus towards the actual policy. And now we have a language and meaning cluster…blank.

    Almost no liberals want an end to capitalism. We think that is the best way to improve society, but we think attaching capitalism with some social programs and redistribution will ensure that it's not just the most gifted and driven that rise. The latter will rise higher, as they should and must, but others will not be left to wither in the streets like we currently endure in modern society.

    I suspect if you drilled down and asked many of these millennials what they actually believed without the labels, you'd find less scary conclusions. Though there are some that are as far gone as the numbers suggest.

    • JP King  •  Nov 8, 2017 at 5:55 pm

      Go read your Constitution and some real history books, and stop hugging your participation trophies for just a minute, millennial. Redistribution rewards bad behavior and gives rise to a perpetual entitlement-focused underclass. Social programs are not the government's business; that's what churches and private groups are supposed to do. Your generation, unfortunately, and through no fault of your own was taught selective, politically-correct curricula. Go read books pre-70s, and you'll find the truth. Feel free to discover the Bible as well.

      • Ty  •  Nov 8, 2017 at 7:59 pm

        k-12 education is a social program. For it, or against it?

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 8, 2017 at 9:38 pm

        Capitalism, created the most prolific, successful, greatest nation in world history.
        America… For it, or against it?

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 8, 2017 at 10:49 pm

        Do you really want to uphold public education, K-12, as a shining example of the merits of socialism?

      • Larry  •  Nov 17, 2017 at 11:22 pm

        Right on!!

    • Ty is dishonest  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 12:06 pm

      Hilarious that you blame certain people on the right for misusing language. That is a basic tactic of dishonesty that the left uses to build support its policies. And then immediately after you falsely attribute actions to people, you do the exact same thing below when you call public schools a social program. I am sure you could find a definition of social program that could be read broadly enough to include public education but public education would not typically be called an"social program." And to answer your dishonest question, i DO NOT support pubic education as it is currently administered. The problem we are all discussing here is a problem not of people on the right misusing language but a problem of public schools that are currently unable to provide a basic civics education. So blame your beloved "social program" for this, not your political opponents that you hate so much.

      • Ty  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 12:58 pm

        k-12 public education is a social program, you could also call it an entitlement. You don't even have to pay in, just be born and of a certain age and a citizen and you get the benefit. But most people LIKE that social program and entitlement, which is precisely why I used the term. Deceit mongers on the right love to tar and feather concepts as some HOLY evil to be avoided like the plague. They do this to the entitlements they do not like, they say the word entitlement of socialized programs with a Sneer and as much contempt as they can muster. And they want the rest of us to attribute the same malice and bile they do to the project of having some social programs and entitlements in society writ large.

        That's not going to work on anyone with any sense, but keep at it there are plenty of conservatives that will lap it up and call every social policy and entitlement under the sun they dislike socialism and communism.

        I think you need to go back and take high school civics because you seem to be as confused as the kids reared in those compromised public schools you decry. And I'm not surprised you are against public schools, what do you want instead? Vouchers? Still redistribution and a transfer, just now some of the money goes to religious schools peddling religious dogmas on top of the secular education which is ALL public money ought to be paying for. Nothing more.

        But I want you conservatives to admit to something, I am SICK of your dodging and weasel logic and dancing around issues. Public education is an ENTITLEMENT. Admit it. That word you DEMONIZE up and down the radio when seeking to bludgeon the groups you deem "TAKERS"

        At the end of the day, most conservatives are PRO entitlement, they just disagree on which entitlements are valid. So when you crawl back under the talk radio rocks in the forest and hear the carrion and beetles harp about entitlements being twisted and evil, remember this here and now. STOP being so damn sloppy in your rhetoric. You are not against entitlements, at least not most of you, you are against some specific entitlement for some specific group or groups you deem unworthy and not worth using public tax dollars for.

        One day, when conservatives become more honest, they can admit that openly.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 3:54 pm

        Ty, you are so GD narrow-focused with your libtard blinders.
        The question is not whether public education is an entitlement or not. The question is, is public education a glowing example of the merits of socialism and government-run entities? Is public education in America, the best example of how well government works for the people? If yes, thank you for helping my argument. Public education is a joke.
        And just because someone points out that public education is awful, doesn't mean we are against education. Quite the contrary… government-run most anything, is typically awful, less efficient, more expensive, worse outcomes than its competitors in the private-market.
        Government operates best, when its smallest and closest to the people.
        So yes, we conservatives broadly oppose Unconstitutional, non-legitimate, government-run "entitlements".

        Now, you can resume your awful misinformation campaign.

      • Ty  •  Nov 10, 2017 at 1:57 am

        Are you against publicly funded education? That is the question? Do you think society would be better if we got rid of public funding of education? Not even vouchers? Just individual families paying their own way for their own kids. Is that what you would prefer? And if not, then due tell us all what kind of model you'd prefer to see. But if it's some sort of voucher system, where does the money from that come from? Is it taxes? That's called a government funded entitlement. If you are in favor of that, you have been lying to yourself all these years and are too dumb to know you are actually in FAVOR of some big bad government funded entitlements. And IF you are not, come out of the closet Rizzo, rip off the mask and reveal the hidden Galtians skeleton underneath.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 10, 2017 at 7:40 am

        I am for local government, making local decisions that determine local education priorities. I am for people paying for their education, but getting what they pay for.
        If your local school sucks, then you take your money and pay for whatever education you deem better.
        You are for one-size fits all, top-down, centralized control over education, where kids are forced into AWFUL, UNION-CONTROLED SCHOOLS.

    • Ty is dishonest  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 2:39 pm

      Funny how you just repeat that public schools are a social program and don't provide any authority for it. Social program is short for social welfare program. Social programs are not for everybody regardless of income, like pipublic education.

      What am I confused about? I didn't say I oppose public education. I said I oppose it as it is currently administered. Reading comprehension is important. It makes me laugh that you call me confused just because I disagree with you about public schools. I guess everybody other than you is confused because everybody disagrees with you on something.

      And religious schools teach secular subjects too. That is what the tax money goes to support. An education at a religious school includes the basic subjects and some religious education. Glad I could clear that up for you. I guess now we know that in addition to being bigoted against numerous right leaning groups, your are also an anti-religious bigot.

      One day when you grow up, if it ever happens, you will realize that nearly every tactic you accuse the right of doing, is done at least as much by the left.

      • Ty  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 2:50 pm

        You should listen to some of the criticisms of religious education.

        A lot more than the basics are smuggled in, and paid for via taxes. There is no clean divide.

        *********WARNING********* The above video link contains an ATHEIST (cue horror music) talking to someone who was raised on exported religious education materials from the US and some of the problems that arose, especially related to science.

        Now I'm fine with people teaching that non secular crap… on their own dime and separate and apart from public education funding.

        And if you think the money can be so easily separated, then I'm sure you'd accept the SAME Argument about planned parenthood funding from the government not going to abortions, right? Oh right, you don't.

        Education is not the only social welfare program, I am not beyond calling it that, because that's what it is. Public education expense is the DEFINITION of promoting the general welfare, something the founders were quite happy to support and promote.

        And for the record, as I've said before, I think we should move away from target welfare benefits to the poor and just make more of the benefits we offer more universal. We can use progressive taxation to claw the money from higher earners back such that the poor and those in need get a disproportionate benefit.

        REQUIRING hospitals to treat patients at the emergency room, whether they can pay or not, disproportionately helps the poor but it's still a universal policy.

    • Ty is dishonest  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 2:42 pm

      This forum is too difficult for debating because they don't let you reply to all comments. Where else can I reply to your shallow, dishonest, bigoted, and irrational world view?

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 4:21 pm

        Ty is dishonest… The problem is, when dealing with Ty, we are dealing with a guy who has been educated by YouTube, Wikipedia, and the play Hamilton.
        These are NOT particularly bright people. They have the mindset of propagandized North Korean. They think they have the solution for whatever ails you… it's just simply MORE GOVENMENT. Anything that goes wrong, it has to be because there was NOT ENOUGH GOVERNMENT. They can dream of no scenario where less government might work.
        It is a ONE TRACK MIND. It's really sick, when you think about it.

    • Johnny Cuyana  •  Nov 12, 2017 at 8:43 pm

      Ty, IMO, in general, you are correct; however, in the way which I understand your point, I will disagree when you write: "The US is a capitalistic economy …" Contrarily, I am in the camp which believes that, economically, the USA is not so much "capitalistic" as much as it is “profiteering”; and, more precisely, CRONY PROFITEERING.

      Aside note: I am of the school which sees capitalism distinct from profiteering; where capitalism is, in the presence of a "level playing field", the FREE and FAIR exchange of product for payment [read: win-win]; and, profiteering is where one party, by hook or crook, takes advantage of the other [read: win-lose]. E.g., in the extreme, profiteering is the relationship between drug pusher and junkie. Note: socialism, communism, and ALL big centralized govts are, at their core, forms of profiteering; where, in such cases, most transactions are by govt force, i.e., a choice is non-existent.

      Aside note: by definition, there is no such thing as crony capitalism … at least, as the phrase is used to describe insider “special interest” transactions in DC; rather, such is CRONY PROFITEERISM.

      Why are we becoming more so a profiteering economy? There have always been profiteers; however, because especially during our recent past decades, most larger entities — corporations, bureaucracies, special interest groups and etc, collectively, referred to as CRONY PROFITEERS — have found it more profitable to buy-off their congressmen: profiteers pay BIG BUCKS; in exchange, congressmen write 1000's and 1000's of pages of favorable tax code and miscellaneous govt rules and regs.

      Of course such tax code and rules are very advantageous to the profiteer; however, they are, by design, oppressive and destructive to ALL others; hence they are a devil’s deal for the elimination of fair and free market competition. In general, such has happened in the USA because We the People have fallen asleep and have tacitly permitted our govt, which we find to be occupied by greater numbers of self-serving clever and ambitious individuals, to do so. [Of course, We The People have voted into office such politicians.]

      Aside note: Such unfair "advantages" as are provided to the profiteer, have resulted in an exchange whereby any such laws, rules and regs are no longer of, by and for the people. In so doing, these law-makers have discarded our foundational American values, where, again, ultimately, we have let them do so. Remember, these are the same congressmen who, in exchange for entrusting them with immense governmental powers, swore a sacred oath of office … to abide by the Constitution in protecting and defending the rights of We The People.

      As a result, rapidly, American capitalists are losing ground, as more such entities are coming to understand that "fighting City Hall" is no longer worthwhile. They are unable to compete in an environment where they do not get their own "special" governmental advantage, i.e., some special tax code, environmental regulation or etc; whereby many of these former capitalists are now profiteers.

      IMO, the proof of such CRONY PROFITEERING is in front of our collective eyes:

      [a] K-Street in DC is the central boulevard of countless multi-BILLION DOLLAR lobbyist firms. Such exists primarily for the purpose of BUYING, for their clients, favorable legislation. Simple: congressmen get paid untold piles of cash, and, in turn, provide TAX CODE, rules, and regs which are favorable to their clients. In fact, many [most?] of the tax code, rules and regs are WRITTEN by such lobbyists.
      [b] Many congressmen — Democrats, RINO’s and etc — who entered office as relative paupers have since left as MULTI-MILLIONAIRES;
      [c] entities such as the Clinton Foundation, which gathered, over a period of fewer than 5 years, more than $3 BILLION DOLLARS, mostly from “international donors”. Where now is all that money?
      [d] Grotesque and obscene election campaigns are the norm because of incessant fighting by the candidates … because their “prize” is the “easy” taxpayer dollars, the control of which goes to the winner;
      [e] Legislation efforts, such as our current “health care” and “tax code” legislation, which are CONTROLLED currently by REPUBLICANS, and, which have NO APPARENT resolution, is so tied-up not so much because they cannot find a “fair” deal, but, rather, because they cannot find ways to work in all of the conflicting “wishes” of the big dollar lobbyists.
      [f] Other than lip-service, being taken to court or legislative Constitutional abominations such as McCain-Feingold — which restricts rights rather than protects them — does anyone know of some congressmen who volunteered detailed lobbyist donations such as cash, special deals and/or misc gifts; and,
      [g] ad nauseum …

      In closing, again, yes, you are correct: at some time in the past the USA economy may have been somewhat capitalistic; however, IMO, we are descending rapidly and collectively into a destructive economy of anti-freedom crony profiteering.

      PS: If you have read all the way down to here, I thank you. If you are then so inclined, I have a simple request: please enumerate your understanding of what you believe to be our USA foundational values. Moreover, these are the foundational values which we have largely abandoned. [Hint: there are two and, while they are distinct, they are not unique to the USA.]

    • Sid  •  Nov 17, 2017 at 4:20 pm

      Ty, Rizzo…stop screaming at each other! All of us want the same things, good education, social safety-net, economic opportunity and yes, a less over-reaching government. Pretend that for each of you the other is a friend you are trying to enlighten. Stop banging the drums of intolerance. Neither of you is an idiot, except that's the way your attitudes are portraying you BOTH. Have a conversation.

      • Ty  •  Nov 17, 2017 at 5:00 pm

        Sid, if we all wanted the same things there would be no conflict. You are right that most of us want general outcomes to move in a positive direction, but we have very different visions of how to get from A to B, and in many areas the directions are in completely opposite directions. You mention we all want less over-reaching government. Definitionally, if anyone considered government to be overreaching, they ought to be against it. I am, conservatives are, libertarians are. But what constitutes over-reaching government?

        I do not think using taxes to pay for a universal healthcare system = government overreach, most conservatives do, almost all libertarians do.

        Now the end result should be the thing to fight for and the hill to die on, not the specific path. If I thought deregulation and relying on the preferences of flawed mankind would naturally lead to a better healthcare system with little to no government enforced coercion, I'd be in favor of it. But that goes against most observations of actual human behavior and nature that I've seen. And before I jumped on board that pathway, I'd want to see some experimental proofs, not assertions.

        If minimum wage continues to disappoint in Seattle, I'm HAPPY to drop the policy or limit the increases. My north star is better outcomes. My critique of so many conservatives, and I say this as a long time listener getting a front row seat to their ideas and views and attitudes and beliefs, is that they have elevated their policy assumptions and principles to SACRED status, as if they were etched onto stone tablets and as a consequence are considered the ideal pathway forward. Period, end of discussion. That, is a religious standard, not an empirical one. This is the sickness in the conservative mind, and I intend to take a sledgehammer and keep pounding on those brick walls of belief and certainty.

        Conservatives, you are not omniscient, you are not god, you are not correct about every policy idea you have and come up with, some of your assumptions about what works best, are wrong. I know that as a liberal, which is why I want to test things out in recognition of my lack of knowledge. Listen to Mark Levin, listen to the black hole of humility in damn near everything. Policy, what will get the economy from A to B, get higher wages. And if the results do not come in as expected, attention is turned towards the individual, for any failures to rise higher have little to do with the environment, and more to do with the failures of people to be smarter, plan ahead… be omniscient about what could happen. The ONE constant that is never in doubt is that the principles and assumptions of conservatives are ever insufficient to solve a problem, and so IF problems persist, a scapegoating we go (it's the liberals, the left, the millennials, how lazy can they be? the debt and deficit, not us, not us, not us, not our ideas, not our assumptions). I find these standards unreasonable and warped beyond all recognition because of how comically incomplete jaded they are, so here I am raising that blackened mirror to reflect the darkness I see in all conservative kind back onto them so that some fraction might recognize it and change course.

        And other times, yes, use people like Rizzo to yell at for being so ridiculous.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 18, 2017 at 8:38 am

        Ty… The ever pathetic, deaf, dumb and blind leftist.

        You claim you don't want to rely on the "preferences of flawed mankind", right?
        But, you are so friggin' stupid. That is EXACTLY what you promote. You delight at the idea of elevating these FLAWED humans to Emperor status. You fantasize about a place, where all power is centralized and consolidated in a magical, far-off land called Washington DC. In reality, You WANT us ALL to rely on, and be slaves to the "preferences of flawed mankind".

        It is only through less centralized government, and the checks and balances of millions of individuals interacting with each other that the "preferences of flawed mankind" can be minimized.

        "they have elevated their policy assumptions and principles to SACRED status"
        First of all, Moron, we don't have policy assumptions. To the extent that conservatives craft policy, it is done with underlying, PROVEN PRINCIPLES. One of which, is to get government out of the way of people. When individuals are empowered, the sky's the limit. America's free-market economy has empowered individuals to create the GREATEST, MOST PROSPEROUS COUNTRY IN WORLD HISTORY. This is not a "policy assumption", this is historical FACT!
        Of all of your far-off, European, dream-Utopias, NONE can compare to the GREATNESS OF AMERICA. They are pathetic, insignificant, inconsequential nothings.

        "My north star is better outcomes"
        Please show us an example of where your government-utopia has created a better outcome. Public schools vs. private? FedEx vs. USPS? Social security vs. private saving options? Private insurance vs Medicare/Medicaid/VA? Personal freedom vs. slavish worship of centralized government? WHERE?!?!

        "principles and assumptions of conservatives are ever insufficient to solve a problem"
        Principle and assumptions DON'T solve problems, moron. Government was NEVER intended to solve ALL problems for EVERYONE, ALL THE TIME. As a matter of FACT, government CREATES MOST OF THE PROBLEMS that we have to overcome.
        Individual, FREE PEOPLE, are what is NEEDED to solve problems. It is that underlying principle that has created The GREATEST COUNTRY IN WORLD HISTORY. And no leftist, utopian dream has EVER PROVED SUFFICIENT in doing better.

        And Sid, I hope you are listening. I believe you are on the right path. Ty would love nothing more than to convince you, that you are worthless, and that it is only through the GRACE of beautiful, perfect government, that you can be successful.

    • Steve  •  Nov 27, 2017 at 4:44 pm

      Ty, was Stalin a hero?

    • JB  •  Jan 22, 2018 at 4:43 pm

      What Ty just said is… since socialism and communism are counter-productive collapsing systems unable to feed the people, Marxists must allow just enough capitalism to feed their Marxism.

  2. Truth hurts  •  Nov 8, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    Hyperbolic nonsense. They prefer Northern European socialism. Ie, Sweden Denmark Norway. No they don’t want to be on a wheat field with a sickle. Unless you consider social security, Medicare and unemployment insurance to be Marxism. If so good luck getting rid of that. Millinials are not into plight of billionaires paying an exponentially higher rate of taxes. In fact most people are settled with graduated tax brackets.

    • Rizzo  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 7:37 am

      If your millennials prefer places like Norway, then they are INDEED paying very high levels of attention to the tax rates of billionaires and every other working/earning individual.
      Because you see, Norway is one of the most heavily taxed countries in the world. It has to be… how else do you think they can pay for government-run Utopia? "Free shit" is very expensive.

      • Truth hurts  •  Nov 14, 2017 at 5:14 pm

        Yeah, free shit like health care and housing. Does it break your wittle heart that they don’t have people sleeping on the street? That they don’t have homeless psychotics screaming in public and spoiling themselves on public transit. You should travel a bit more. Scandinavians are happier, healthier, have a longer life span, lower crime rate lower out of wedlock rate than us by a mile. We aren’t talking Haiti or your government free utopia of somolia

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 7:50 am

        You should travel more. Then stay.
        Good bye… Go live in you pathetically insignificant Utopia.

  3. Truth hurts  •  Nov 8, 2017 at 8:20 pm

    Ronald the rapist. My guess is that this fine woman was gagged in more ways than one. Enjoy koolaide drinking patriots.

    • Nani Tavares  •  Nov 8, 2017 at 9:35 pm

      Truth hurts: so that is why you shy away from the truth and continue to push the liberal lies; you are constantly hurt when you face the truth…

      • Truth hurts  •  Nov 14, 2017 at 5:08 pm

        What’s the lie? Are you saying that the woman who claimed Reagan raped her is lying? I have no idea if she is a liberal.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 14, 2017 at 5:24 pm

        Just worry about FACTS: Kennedy, Kennedy, Kennedy, Clinton, the jackass who had a baby out of wedlock, while his wife was dying with cancer.

      • Truth hurts  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 3:33 pm

        Don’t forget the thrice married (not Pussy grabbing vulgarian Trump) Ginrich who twice delivered divorce papers to two of his spouses in a hospital bed. I guess you will be hiking the Appalachian to Alabam’ to congratulate that beacon of moral righteousness, Roy Moore. Have a rappie time. Maybe you will see the serial sexual assaulter in chief. Cheers

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 3:53 pm

        "sexual assaulter in chief" that TITLE belongs to Democrats. Remember, it's a private matter. And while Hilary thinks that ALL accusers should be believed today, she sang a much different tune during her days as Mrs. Bill Clinton.

  4. Nani Tavares  •  Nov 8, 2017 at 9:40 pm

    In actuality, millennials have had the good fortune of living thru a generation of abundance. They don't know what sacrifice is or hard work. They are like children whose favorite words are "give me" and "I wanna". I'm not sure if I pity them or am disgusted. For me and mine; I'm at the point where I simply say, "And do I look like I care?"

    • Truth hurts  •  Nov 14, 2017 at 5:16 pm

      Every generation has old farts who say the same thing. We know the snow was always deeper and the walk to school was always further. Yadda yadda

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 7:52 am

        Every generation has jackasses that refuse to learn from history, and believe they know better than every generation that preceded them.

      • Ty  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 3:27 pm

        I believe most new generations know SOME things that actually are better than generations that came before. But then, I'm not some ISIS/Salafist logic infused reactionary that seems to think anything new and different under the sun that an older generation finds suspect is intrinsically bad and worse than what came before.

        I'm not that much of a mental slave. In short, I'm not saddled with your strain of conservatism for its own sake, forgetting the reasons why what came before were considered better in the first place. The reasons for their place become secondary and later irrelevant, and all that remains is blind worship if idols and statuary. At this point, arguments of the actual worth of an older vs newer idea or policy or way of looking at things becomes meaningless,

        NEW = BAD
        Tradition/older = GOOD

        What a useless lens with which to look at the world. And so many conservatives LOVE your model.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 3:49 pm

        Only morons like you forget, or more accurately described, NEVER knew or understood the reasons for why things are, and why they should be.

        So you see, when history began the day you were born, and your only apparent education comes from YouTube, Wikipedia and Hamilton the play, you REALLY DONT KNOW ANYTHING, and are not qualified to speak intelligently about so-called "Bad or Good". You're just a moron, spouting useless, and meaningless opinions.

      • Ty  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 4:07 pm

        History did not begin the day I was born, and it also did not end hundreds of years ago, or thousands of years ago when a bunch of desert men wrote the ten commandments.

        Civilization has been accumulating THOUSANDS of years of knowledge and wisdom and trial and error. Did you think it stopped at the founding? You might, such an arrogant pustule of humanity you are, and all those that think like you.

        If I have to choose a tribe, one that things we've a lot more knowledge and wisdom to test and discover, and another that thinks we've got all there is of any value already, I'll choose the former and leave your atavistic self in the dust.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 4:54 pm

        Of course wisdom and the accumulation of knowledge did not stop… well, not until your brainless generation came along. But, just because knowledge accumulates and circumstances change, that does NOT change UNIVERSAL TRUTHS and UNDERLYING PRINCIPLES of humanity.
        I'm sure these are alien concepts to you, but try and learn… Educate yourself, you damn moron!

      • Ty  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 7:27 pm

        If a principle is so valuable and worth preserving, then it ought not matter if people argue over it, the intrinsic worth of that principle ought to be self evident. If not, perhaps that principle was not as much of a shining star of perfection as you expected it to be.

        But what you really mean by this talk of principles, is that you want everyone else to rally around the principles YOU value and hold up, or your particular interpretation of said principles.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 10:17 pm

        To argue with you and your ilk over the meaning, interpretation and value of The Constitution is pointless. Your contempt for it is seething.
        Like John Adams said, Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
        Unfortunately, the founders could never have foreseen Godless, freedom-haters like yourself.

  5. Truth hurts  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 1:14 am

    Hmmmm it could be this. This is what happens when people get educated. They aren’t interested in capitalist/Marxist fringes.

    Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffett are richer than poorest half of US~from Drudge

  6. Ty is dishonest  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 12:15 pm

    These kids have no idea what these terms mean. Substitute "economic freedom" or "free enterprise" for capitalism and most would probably support it. Substitute "government owned industry" or "government controlled economy" for socialism and again, the results would like be totally different. This is a direct result of the poor basic education that Americans have been receiving for decades in the failing public school system.

    Or you could just use examples: should congress take over and run Apple and Google? What do you think Dishonest Ty's peeps would say about that?

    • Ty  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 3:09 pm

      Here is the problem. Most people on the left are not for some government controlled economy in most things. They want regulations, so if that is the standard of what you classify as "government control" then you could say that want government involved in everything, but that is a WEAK claim. We have child labor laws, and pollution laws that affect ANY company that wants to dump crap in the air or water, does that imply some top down command and control economy of every decision a company wants to make from A to Z? Because when you say crap like liberals want government controlled economy, that is the implication. And it's NOT what most of us want, not even close.

      Just because companies and men do not have INFINITE degrees of "FREEDOM" in society and how they operate and how much of their earnings they keep, does not imply they have ZERO degrees of freedom. It's something in between those two extremes. And guess what, conservative, ALL civilization REQUIRES the removal of INFINITE degrees of freedom for companies and men for civilization to function. Otherwise it would be anarchy and anything goes. I don't want that, YOU don't want that, most conservatives don't want that, so STOP pretending you want that in your sloppy rhetoric or crying wolf that any SLIVER of government involvements in some industry or the economy implies we are on the march towards some socialist/communist dystopia. It's a lie, and people on the right that push that narrative are peddling trash.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 9, 2017 at 4:04 pm

        It is PRECISELY the slow and incremental "march towards some socialist/communist dystopia". When, if EVER, has that march stopped, reversed, or even slowed?
        NEVER. It goes one way… and sometimes it's slow, and sometimes it's fast. But, it is unrelenting. And just because idiots, like you Ty, can't see the finish line, we, the students of history, WE KNOW.

      • Ty  •  Nov 10, 2017 at 1:51 am

        You certainly think you know.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 10, 2017 at 9:17 am

        Here is PRECISELY all the proof anyone needs to demonstrate the incremental "March towards socialist/communist dystopia"…. "We can use progressive taxation to claw the money from higher earners". This moron blatantly tries to justify theft!
        This "logic" can ONLY lead to socialist/communist dystopia. It can be used to justify all types of evils, in the name of the "common good" or "general welfare".

    • Truth hurts  •  Nov 14, 2017 at 5:27 pm

      Government owned and controlled industry is communism, not socialism. The owner of IKEA is one of the top 10 richest people on the planet. IKEA is not owned by the Swedish government. One of the most effective plots of the right is to attach labels to scare people, labels like Marxism. They mean nothing and none of them has even read Das Capital by Marx, nor have they read Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, which has plenty of right wing admirers. For example: The book was disseminated by the Tea Party conservative group FreedomWorks during Dick Armey's tenure as chairman as a means of understanding political opposition tactics in order to effectively combat them.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 7:57 am

        Looks like Ty has changed his name… Or perhaps just another moron, armed not with facts, but lies and misinformation.

      • Ty  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 4:11 pm

        My name has stayed the same, but since so many people seem to want to transform it to their own purposes, I figured I might add my own.

        When I am feeling more benevolent in my attempts to pull you conservatives out of the swamp : Ty the Savior
        And when I'm near the end of my patience, let's just call that Ty.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 6:06 pm

        I will leave Marx to your ilk.
        I'm too busy studying Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations, or the works of John Locke, among others.

      • Ty  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 7:28 pm

        I think I'll add a new persona.

        Ty the trash collector.

  7. Rizzo  •  Nov 10, 2017 at 7:43 am

    Ok Ty, I don't know…. Tell me when the unrelenting march toward leftist Utopia in America has ever slowed, stopped or reversed.

    • Truth hurts  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 3:26 pm

      So you hate America as is, but love what it can, but never will be nor was. When was this American utopia anyway? And what specifically would you do to get us there? Get rid of social security? It is socialism. We know this because it is right there in the name, social. Specifics, not just name calling. I’m not easily offended anyway, so doing that is just a waste of time.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 3:44 pm

        I'm sorry, was somebody talking to you?
        Was there an answer to my question, somewhere in you incoherent ramblings?

    • Ty  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 4:14 pm

      Never stopped, and the march is not toward an endpoint known as utopia, it's to get to a better place than where we are. I don't want that project to ever end because I don't think we'll ever reach utopia.

      This does not imply I want EVERYTHING to be ripped up and cast aside, if something is working, we can keep it, and many things are working fine, but for the areas that are not, you better believe I want those worked on and improved.

      Or, I could have a typical talk radio conservative attitude, everything is great already, shut your mouth.

      No. Deal with it.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 5:00 pm

        I know of nobody that says everything is "great already".
        We are all for improving society, but only within the context of The Constitution.
        We don't believe that all improvements come from government. As a matter of fact, most of what is wrong with America is where government has illegitimately inserted itself.
        Change comes in many forms. The change I am promoting is empowering individuals to live relatively fre lives absent of burdensome to government, stealing what we individuals have earned.

      • Ty  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 7:40 pm

        You mean your understanding and conception of the constitution.

        How arrogant a man can you be? Look at religion as a guide. Is there one interpretation of christianity? Judaism? Islam? Buddhism?

        Protestantism in particular has splintered into a crazy number of sects:

        Are they reading different bibles? I know religious jews sometimes quibble about differences between the original hebrew and the english translation, like though shalt not kill being thou shalt not MURDER in the original Hebrew, but you get the point.

        It's basically the SAME source material and WIDLY divergent interpretations, and everything in between!

        But here comes the cult of Rizzo. YOU, and the rest of the conservative peanut gallery have the ONE TRUE faith, the one true interpretation of the constitution, and any deviations are apostates.

        Do you really expect the rest of us "apostates" to just fall in line and swear fealty to YOUR vision of the world? A vision we have differences with?

        Please. I have no illusions that not everyone shares MY vision for how the country ought to be, I listen to enough right wingers to know the tribalists are out in force and want to turn this nation into as much of a free for all where people outside of charity are on their own as much as possible. I come to these intersections partly to vent at conservatives, but also to hold a more critical mirror of themselves back at them, one with the roses and glitter they place on their own views washed away.

        You all think that reflection has no cracks and blemishes? Oh how I delight in pointing them out! And one day, maybe a stray conservative lamb will be saved from the dark path of the reactionary right.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 8:30 pm

        Look moron… We are not quibbling over the difference between thou shall not kill and thou shall not murder. You think that government has unlimited power to force individuals to do anything for the "General Welfare". You think, hidden within the text of The Constitution is the right to kill babies. You think the concept of marriage is open for interpretation and that redefining it is perfectly fine. You think boys are girls and girls are boys. You confuse theft with caring. You and your ilk are diametrically opposed to the very foundation of American society, culture, and all the things that have made America the greatest country in world history.

  8. Johnny Cuyana  •  Nov 12, 2017 at 5:32 pm

    The results of these poles, as sighted by Michael, are what should be expected in view of the fact that for the recent decades, to a very large degree [and by insidious leftist design], our FOUNDATIONAL American VALUES are NOT being taught in our govt school systems [and, in many cases, in non-govt schools]. In FACT, to a large degree, these foundational values are being either ignored or are being contradicted DIRECTLY and PURPOSEFULLY!

    Through the incessant leftist govt school brainwashing, our young citizens have almost NO IDEA neither of such values nor of the implications of the application of such values; by which, indeed, they do not know why there is an "America"; that is, they do not understand nor appreciate the purpose, and NEED, for an "America". [This shortcoming, so sadly, is NOT limited to younger Americans.]

    As a result, continually so many young citizens are graduating from such schools with incomplete and misguided information, diminished critical thinking skills and a malfunctioning moral compass … whereby they are unable to recognize "things" as they are, and, in turn, are unable to make proper [read: pro-freedom] evaluations and decisions.

    In my experience, this "ignorance" is manifested most prominently — when discussing with such anti-American "thinkers" — by virtue of their main theme of discussion being that “America, as it is, is evil”; where this, I find, is regardless of whether they understand such values [and how, to a large extent, we, collectively, have strayed from pursuing same]. In such instances, my mental notation is usually: Does my discussions, with such uninformed people, serve any purpose?

    In closing, I am not assuming that anyone will read my comment; however, if one has, and is so inclined, I request that you inform me/us what you believe to be these referenced foundational American values and whether you find an understanding and application of them missing largely from our current political "situation". [Hint: foundationally, there are 2 … and they are distinct but not unique.]

    PS: a small but CRITICAL distinction: Capitalism is NOT THE SAME as PROFITEERING; where capitalism, in the presence of a "level playing field", is the FREE and FAIR exchange of product for payment [read: win-win]; and, where PROFITEERING is where one party, through hook or crook, takes advantage of the other [read: win-lose]. E.g., in the extreme, drug pusher vs junkie. Note: socialism, communism and etc are all forms of PROFITEERING.

    Unfortunately, because of the 1000's and 1000's of pages of oppressive govt tax code and unaccountable rules and regulations, American capitalism is losing ground rapidly, as more and more businesses/people are seeing that they are unable to compete unless they have some "special" advantage, e.g., some special tax code or environmental regulation. Note that such unfair "advantages" are provided to the profiteer by PAYING OFF the immoral and corrupt Congressman.

    • Ty  •  Nov 16, 2017 at 4:56 pm

      Capitalism cannot stop profiteering by itself. I know you libertarian types like to think the only ways such profiteering can possibly arise is as a function of government, but private companies can buy up land and bully people out of markets purely based on market dominance. Natural monopolies exist in this world. How many utility companies run water pipes to your home? Is that an open market? Would such an open market make sense there? And in the absence of such an open market, what stops a company that has the water pipes locked up with massive capital investments to charge whatever prices the market can bare? Where "competition" to individual homes is far more muted based on market logistics and not government?

      The libertarian mindset is a wondrous place, where practical concerns and having to prove itself in the real world is no needed. They love to think their models produce the ideal result and society, without having an actual test case in modern society. But that absence of concrete proof and evidence and empirical data around their models in modern society does not mute their certainty of their superiority to all other ideas.

      The libertarian mindset is a world where assertions, not proof, reign supreme. It must be fun.

      Liberals wanted the minimum wage to help out poor people, data from Seattle is not looking good so far and might have caused lower average earnings for some people. That's a problem, but those ideas were tested to judge their merits. Some different ideas ignored by conservative media were tried in Kansas, a mirror of some of what is trying to be done now on a national scale, lowering business tax rates and allowing more pass through income to go to the owners. That will SURELY increase business investment and kickstart the economy!

      It did not, Kansas grew at a lower pace than some of its neighboring states, and they had a budget deficit that forced cuts to ONE type of public entitlement even republican KAnsans supported, public education expenses. Brownback won the election again a few years back and stayed the course, it got worse, and a REPUBLICAN legislature in Kansas voted to raise taxes to close the budget deficit issues and overruled Brownbacks veto.

      Assertions about what would happen, tested in the real world. THAT is how we ACTUALLY know how things shake out, otherwise you are just an arrogant know it all libertarian/conservative who confuses his assertions about reality, with reality itself.

      One of the biggest reasons I'm not a libertarian/conservative, is there are LIMITS to my own arrogance and sense of omniscience.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 16, 2017 at 5:11 pm

        There are limits to your arrogance, but moreover your knowledge of the laws of economics… Which seems to be slim to none.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 16, 2017 at 5:17 pm

        Read and try to learn, you figgin' moron!

        What Trump and the GOP need to learn from Kansas' tax cut disaster
        The conventional wisdom is that Kansas made a mistake in cutting taxes.
        But the real mistake was not cutting spending.
        That's the real lesson the Trump team needs to learn as it pushes for tax reform.

      • Ty  •  Nov 16, 2017 at 8:00 pm

        If they wanted more cuts, they would have done them, they cut as much as they wanted to, and in order to provide the level of government services, they needed to raise taxes. Your problem is not me Rizzo, it's that not enough people share your cut to the bone preferences. Deal with it, or stay mad. We do not want to live in the world you want to build.

        Now for the salvageable, check out this chart to get back to the topic of millennials. This effects many of the differences in attitude and behavior and employment levels.×415.jpg

        Is it not conservatives that say people and businesses respond to incentives? What kind of response from potential millennial workers ought one expect with the compensation has not been keeping up with past gains? Of course, the conservative focus is never on having businesses start trying to pay people more to drive more workplace participation, no, it's the fault of millennials for not accepting peanuts and smiling.

        conservative : So what, they can still work and earn something, and rise higher.

        Sensible liberal : Yes, and many do, but lower compensation still effects the numbers. Imagine Everest with relatively moderate weather for the mountain, a hundred climbers will have an easier time reaching the peak in those conditions than the same climb with a blizzard going strong.

        stubborn conservative : So what, Hercules still climbed the mountain and succeeded during the storm, if HE can do it others can too, get off your lazy bums and get to work. It's possible, and if something is possible, that is all that matters.

        Liberal : Possible and likely are not the same things, and not everyone is hercules, environment matters, and the environment is different. I know conservatives are taught to only care about individual drive and not the environment, but that is reason number 872 your philosophy is so broken and moribund. It's time, past time you expanded that incomplete mess of a world view.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 16, 2017 at 8:12 pm

        I knew you would ignore FACTS.
        I even cited these facts from a wonderfully, liberal source… CNBC of all places.
        Stay stupid. Stay insulated in your anti-American, anti-freedom bubble!

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 17, 2017 at 10:56 am

        Bubble-Boy aka Ty
        At least you will STFU and quit citing Kansas as some proof that your fallacy of tax-cuts don't work.

        Libtards are for slicing an ever-shrinking pie into smaller and smaller pieces for everyone, regardless of merit. All the while, the ingredients for that pie are drying up and going away.

        Conservatives are for creating a larger pie, where certainly achievers will have a bigger slice, but as a result of the growth, EVERYONE will enjoy a bigger slice than they had previously. And the ingredients for continued growth will not become scarce.

        Now go away, you baby-killing, Freedom-Hating, Anti-American. Your lack of education is embarrassing, and your inability to learn is scary!

  9. CHRIS  •  Nov 14, 2017 at 12:03 am

    You've got us Millennials all wrong. How about a regular conversation across both sides of the aisle? Republicans are polling poorly among my generation, because they don't even bother addressing any issues we care about. (I'm centrist and not a bernie supporter, full disclosure. However I know plenty of people who are and we have open conversations about these topics) I don't think it is as mysterious as some people claim in these posts. The reality is that most Millennials don't identify socialism with Stalin or the former USSR, or Mao etc. They identify it with Bernie Sanders, and Western Europe , especially Scandinavia. (Canada as well). That is their model, not Venezuela or North Korea. The fact is that the poor and middle class students cannot afford to pay for the greediness of universities. Universities were never this expensive historically in the U.S. and it just skyrockets. It is totally all about greed, and a system set up to milk one generation of money. It is not even capitalism, because students get easy money regardless to pay loads of tuition. Its really like a scam to pay for layers of administrators and deans. So of course we think free college is a good idea, because prices are out of control and the gov is on the side of the public institutions who don't mind raising tuition to get richer. Sallie Mae will keep on guaranteeing student debt and Banks will put that junk in your portfolio, lets hope for all of us that our $40,000 degree in Medieval lit pans out. Never mind we're raised by our family and society that this (college) is the only route to go to get ahead in life. We also see that the defense corporations get billions and we have massive defense spending, of course its logical for us to say, hey wait a minute, we should invest that in our institutions like Europe does. We don't even need billions for the war on terror that is a joke, if we had a half decent intelligence service, they would infiltrate and dismantle groups from within, Sorry, lockheed martin does not need another 80 billion for a jet to bomb some guy in a cave, the b 52s work perfectly fine for that.

    • Johnny Cuyana  •  Nov 16, 2017 at 12:05 pm

      Chris, I would like to respond to your comment; however, before doing so, to me, such a response would only make sense if you can first inform me/us of your foundational values. IOW, in your hoped-for ideal societal system, what values do you prioritize; that is, for which values, for yourself, other citizens and the govt, common to a unified nation, do you advocate?

      I ask this because I am trying to understand: in your ideal American — or broader — society, what, fundamentally, you and Millennials want. Of course, the corollary is: in turn, in exchange for the fulfilments of such wants, for what personal and govt responsibilities do you advocate?

      To me, and many others, such issues need to be addressed before there is any meaningful — as you say correctly — "regular conversation".

      PS: In the meantime, just as importantly, how do you understand how your values relate to our foundational American values? In fact, can you describe, in a sentence or two, our two foundational American values?

    • Why Socialism is Bad  •  Nov 17, 2017 at 8:44 pm

      Chris, You mention that universities are BAD because they are unaffordable; therefore the Socialist govt is GOOD. Figure it out, Chris. They are on the same team. School can raise its tuitions because they know the Socialist govt will pony up money for the student. The Socialist govt doesn't complain against the universities because Social govt is counting on your vote to elect them into office. Behind EVERY movement (Black, gay, alien, etc) is the industry leaders who are there because of a paycheck. The proof is evident when such leaders sabotage anyone who tries to bridge the gap; they don't want poverty or racism or bigotry to stop, because then their role is done and their help is no longer needed. Think about it. It's all about money. When the millennials and post-millennials are slaves of the State, please recall this conversation.

    • Who cares  •  Nov 25, 2017 at 2:13 am

      We should invest in our institutions like Europe does? That is funny considering that when I get my property tax bill about 80% goes to public schools k-12, about 10% goes to local universities, and about 10% goes to non-education government spending. How much should be spent on education? 100%? It makes me laugh when people cite "Europe" as a higher education model. In many of those countries, people are less likely than Americans to have college degrees. Germany only has 28% having college degrees while USA has 43%.

      And you know why Europe can spend so much on social programs? Because USA spends so much on their military. Western European countries know that their membership in NATO makes it unlikely that they will be attacked. Without USA as their ally, they would need to spend much more on their military or fear that someone like Putin will start advancing across Europe.

  10. Rizzo  •  Nov 14, 2017 at 8:20 am


    I can't disagree with much that you said, other than your last comment about the US military. What the US spends on defense and military is far more than just assets to "bomb some guy in a cave". It's a dangerous world, and it will become much more dangerous for the US without US military might. What we have, and what we spend is as much to avoid war, as it is to win it. You, as a millennial, should be happy with that. Because, if and when war were to breakout, it would be you and your generation fighting it.

    • Truth hurts  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 3:21 pm

      I can’t agree more. Too much government spending is bad gor the economy, but luckily there is no such thing as too much spending on the military. Military spending is magical, in that it doesn’t effect the deficit. The sky’s the limit. Spending on education is a waste. Higher education is for the birds because college Marxist. An uneducated public with crumbling infrastructure and poor health care, lower life expectancy isn’t important. Having, no cost limit, military security” is more important. There is also no limit as to what we should spend securing our 51st state, Israel.

      • Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 7:32 pm

        Ooh… I just caught your last statement. Spoken like a truly anti-Semitic lib-tard.

  11. Rizzo  •  Nov 15, 2017 at 3:42 pm

    Wait… who said there should be no limit on military spending?
    Are you fighting with your imagainary friends, in public, again?

    And, who controls life-expectancy?

    Lastly, you better check how much is spent on education. There is NO SHORTAGE OF MONEY SPENT IN EDUCATION.

    Buh bye, moron.

  12. Ty-One-On, the terrible troll  •  Nov 17, 2017 at 8:31 pm

    Government (aka "Public") education IS a socialist nightmare, paid for by federal and state and local funding and not accountable to their community, due to union protectionism. IF government education were a "free-enterprise," it would be sued by the federal government as a MONOPOLY and as a TRUST that needs to be broken apart to let good competition prevail. In this sacred Cabal, the children of America are deprived of true American history and values and systematically brainwashed to believe that morality is overrated and the family structure is deplorable as the vestige of white privilege. Just ignore Ty and let him lay in his own vomit.

    Ty's a Troll with too much time on his hands, so he can spend his days twisting his socialist ideas and make them seem reasonable. (Probably on the govt dole a couple times over, and funded by Soros and friends.)

    • Ditto!  •  Nov 17, 2017 at 8:54 pm

      Ha! True enough! Who else would praise the "Sensible Liberal"! Is there such a thing?

    • Truth hurts  •  Nov 23, 2017 at 5:11 am

      Government education must end. We should all be like The Amish who only educated to the 8th grade. They get no help from the government. I’d rather spend my money on pot and chasing poonany. Screw those rug tats. You had ‘em you pay for ‘em. Let the churches educate them. And don’t go crying for tax breaks. Shit, you’re tearing up the roads driving your brats to soccer practice. Single people pay wayyyy to much for breeder ho’s brats.

    • Who cares  •  Nov 25, 2017 at 2:17 am

      I second letting that hateful little bigot Ty "lay in his own vomit." I'd like to know his real name so that when I see that guy on the news with a serious mental health episode, I will know it was him.

  13. troon62  •  Nov 17, 2017 at 9:03 pm

    There is little mystery to these deeply depressing poll results. For the past half century, America's public schools and universities have been taken over by leftists. They refuse to inform students of our history, and they use students' ignorance as a means of proselytizing them about the supposed virtues of socialism and communism. If students have no understanding of history, how are they to argue with the pap they're given?

  14. Nani Tavares  •  Nov 19, 2017 at 2:28 pm

    All these sexual accusations are depressing. It points to an entire generation of females that despite the Dems claiming to fight for them, were weak and helpless against powerful men. I don't understand why they didn't confront them back then, why they didn't come forward when memories were fresh and it was easier to refute or confirm allegations. Either our nation has come a long way in creating an atmosphere that gives women the ability to come forward or the idea that there were and are strong women EQUAL to men is a lie. If it is the former, then. as with slavery and civil rights, we need to acknowledge the evolving betterment of our nation and quit beating her up every chance we get. If it is the latter, then we have sought avenues that did not empower women and we must swap the selfish "reproduction rights" for the decency of "the right to say no", swap the joining men in their bullying for being civil as fellow human beings.

    Truth does indeed hurt. It must be crushing to learn that one has backed a huge con. One meant to give temporary solace to a group of people ashamed of their gender and their race. In the end, they are still female and still a minority. The power, the beauty lies in the opportunity of this nation and the freedom to be and do whatever you dream of.

    • Nani Tavares  •  Nov 20, 2017 at 5:14 pm

      And the Republicans are folding like a stack of cards. "We have to believe these women!" Why? So women has never claimed rape and lied? What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? I am not a backer of Judge Roy as I don't have anything to do with Alabama but all this demanding that he "fall on his sword" based on memories of 4 decades smacks of moral superiority. Someone was traumatized and someone judged some touching as inappropriate which is ok if it happened when memories were fresh and there was a possibility of proving the allegation. Most of us have no idea what we had for lunch last week, much less what may have offended someone 40 years ago. And no, someone being offended is not enough to hang someone. I am angry because women have spent a generation demanding to be treated as equal; only to be told that they had zero power against some men? I did not crawl into a fetal position when someone came after me and anyone trying something on my daughters would learn a huge lesson. THIS is the right of human beings and this helpless females act just won't cut it.

    • Truth hurts  •  Nov 23, 2017 at 5:15 am

      I agree. Women scream rape when they are dissed. I can’t imagine my sisters putting themselves in a position to be raped. They are respectful, streetwise ladies have common sense. My Episcopalian relatives don’t hang around low class raping baptists.

      • Nani Tavares  •  Nov 26, 2017 at 5:49 pm

        Ok, so what I was saying went right over your head…

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